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March 5, 2013
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Counterbore/Countersink hole Notes on Drawing.

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Pro/E allows us to to create Countersunk and Counterbore holes in the model. Is there a way to get the note on the drawing to read in the format shown in the attched image?




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A.DelNegro1-Visitor
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March 5, 2013
I tried to do this in the past. (I'm on WF3) I know you can edit the
'format' of the note in the .hol file. Below you can see what this
looks like in notepad...





You want to edit the CALLOUT_FORMAT line. If I remember correctly you
will need to create different .hol files for each different callout you
want though. (i.e. one for CBore and one for CSink) This is due to
wanting some things on one call out and others on another callout. I
was hoping they would have this fixed with Creo. Can anyone chime in on
that?



Tony


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23-Emerald IV
TomU23-Emerald IV
23-Emerald IV
March 5, 2013
The hole table functionality is definitely lacking. There is the ability with the hole table to create a matrix of callouts for each possible configuration of the hole tool. Look in the documentation for "DEFAULT_CALLOUT_FORMAT_DATA". The major limitation with the hole feature in general is that the note callout text (as defined in the matrix or the "CALLOUT_FORMAT" field) will NOT update the note text format during feature redefinition unless you manually pick "update note". This means if you decide to "turn on" some aspect of the hole feature, the callout will not reflect your change unless you remember to manually tell it to reset the note text every time. Below is a sample of this matrix (still a work in progress). This will look best when viewed in a constant width font.

Tom U.

TABLE_DATA
PRO_VERSION 24
THREAD_SERIES UNC
CLASS 2B
TABLE_UNITS inch
DEPTH_RATIO 1.5
CALLOUT_FORMAT &DIAMETER


THREAD_DATA
FASTENER_ID BASIC_DIAM THREAD TAP_DR TAP_DEC PERCENT_THREAD CLEAR_DR_CLOSE CLOSE_DEC CLEAR_DR_FREE FREE_DEC CLEAR_DR_MED MED_DEC CBOREDIAM CBOREDEPTH CSINKDIAM CSINKANGLE BOTCSINKDIAM BOTCSINKANGLE
1-64 0.073 64 #53 0.0595 81% #48 0.0760 #46 0.0810 0 0 0.1563 0.073 0.146 82 0.146 82
2-56 0.086 56 #50 0.0700 62% #43 0.0890 #41 0.0960 0 0 0.1875 0.086 0.172 82 0.172 82
3-48 0.099 48 #47 0.0785 69% #37 0.1040 #35 0.1100 0 0 0.2188 0.099 0.199 82 0.199 82
4-40 0.112 40 #43 0.0890 65% #32 0.1160 #30 0.1285 0 0 0.2188 0.112 0.225 82 0.225 82
5-40 0.125 40 #38 0.1015 65% #30 0.1285 #29 0.1360 0 0 0.2500 0.125 0.252 82 0.252 82
6-32 0.138 32 #36 0.1065 71% #27 0.1440 #25 0.1495 0 0 0.2813 0.138 0.279 82 0.279 82
8-32 0.164 32 #29 0.1360 62% #18 0.1695 #16 0.1770 0 0 0.3125 0.164 0.332 82 0.332 82
10-24 0.190 24 #25 0.1495 69% 13/64 0.2031 #7 0.2010 0 0 0.3750 0.190 0.385 82 0.411 82
12-24 0.216 24 #16 0.1770 66% #2 0.2210 1 0.2280 0 0 0 0.216 0.438 82 0.438 82
14-20 0.242 20 #10 0.1935 75% D 0.2460 F 0.2570 0 0 0 0.242 0 82 0 82
1/4-20 0.250 20 #7 0.2010 70% 9/32 0.2813 H 0.2660 0 0 0.4375 0.250 0.507 82 0.531 82
5/16-18 0.3125 18 F 0.2570 72% 11/32 0.3437 Q 0.3320 0 0 0.5313 0.313 0.635 82 0.656 82
3/8-16 0.375 16 5/16 0.3125 72% 13/32 0.4063 X 0.3970 0 0 0.6250 0.375 0.762 82 0.781 82
7/16-14 0.4375 14 U 0.3680 70% 15/32 0.4687 15/32 0.4687 0 0 0.7188 0.438 0.812 82 0.844 82
1/2-13 0.500 13 27/64 0.4219 73% 17/32 0.5313 17/32 0.5312 0 0 0.8125 0.500 0.875 82 0.938 82
9/16-12 0.5625 12 31/64 0.4843 68% 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0.563 1.000 82 1.063 82
5/8-11 0.625 11 17/32 0.5312 75% 21/32 0.6563 0 0 0 0 1.0000 0.625 1.125 82 1.188 82
3/4-10 0.750 10 21/32 0.6562 68% 25/32 0.7813 0 0 0 0 1.1875 0.750 1.375 82 1.438 82
7/8-9 0.875 9 49/64 0.7656 72% 29/32 0.9063 0 0 0 0 1.3750 0.875 0 82 0 82
1-8 1.000 8 7/8 0.8750 73% 1-1/32 1.0313 0 0 0 0 1.6250 1.000 0 82 0 82
1-1/8-7 1.125 7 63/64 0.9843 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1.125 0 82 0 82
1-1/4-7 1.250 7 1-7/64 1.1093 0 1-5/16 1.3125 0 0 0 0 2.0000 1.250 0 82 0 82

DEFAULT_CALLOUT_FORMAT_DATA
HOLE_TYPE THREAD DRILLED_DEPTH THREAD_DEPTH CSINK CBORE EXIT_CSINK CALLOUT_FORMAT
CLEARANCE NO THRU_ALL NA NO NO NO &PATTERN_NO X &METRIC_SIZE &THREAD_SERIES - &THREAD_CLASS &STD_HOLE_TYPE &VAR_THREAD &THREAD_DEPTH
CLEARANCE NO THRU_NEXT NA NO NO NO &PATTERN_NO X &METRIC_SIZE &THREAD_SERIES - &THREAD_CLASS &STD_HOLE_TYPE &VAR_THREAD &THREAD_DEPTH
CLEARANCE NO THRU_UNTIL NA NO NO NO &PATTERN_NO X &METRIC_SIZE &THREAD_SERIES - &THREAD_CLASS &STD_HOLE_TYPE &VAR_THREAD &THREAD_DEPTH
CLEARANCE NO TO_SEL NA NO NO NO &PATTERN_NO X &METRIC_SIZE &THREAD_SERIES - &THREAD_CLASS &STD_HOLE_TYPE &VAR_THREAD &THREAD_DEPTH
CLEARANCE NO THRU_ALL NA NO NO YES &PATTERN_NO X &METRIC_SIZE &THREAD_SERIES - &THREAD_CLASS &STD_HOLE_TYPE &VAR_THREAD &THREAD_DEPTH /EXIT<ctrl-a>w<ctrl-b><ctrl-a>n<ctrl-b> &BOTCSINK_DIAM X &BOTCSINK_ANGLE[.1]<ctrl-a>$<ctrl-b>
CLEARANCE NO THRU_ALL NA NO YES NO &PATTERN_NO X &METRIC_SIZE &THREAD_SERIES - &THREAD_CLASS &STD_HOLE_TYPE &VAR_THREAD &THREAD_DEPTH /<ctrl-a>v<ctrl-b><ctrl-a>n<ctrl-b> &Cbore_diameter X &Cbore_depth<ctrl-a>x<ctrl-b>
CLEARANCE NO THRU_NEXT NA NO YES NO &PATTERN_NO X &METRIC_SIZE &THREAD_SERIES - &THREAD_CLASS &STD_HOLE_TYPE &VAR_THREAD &THREAD_DEPTH /<ctrl-a>v<ctrl-b><ctrl-a>n<ctrl-b> &Cbore_diameter X &Cbore_depth<ctrl-a>x<ctrl-b>
CLEARANCE NO THRU_UNTIL NA NO YES NO &PATTERN_NO X &METRIC_SIZE &THREAD_SERIES - &THREAD_CLASS &STD_HOLE_TYPE &VAR_THREAD &THREAD_DEPTH /<ctrl-a>v<ctrl-b><ctrl-a>n<ctrl-b> &Cbore_diameter X &Cbore_depth<ctrl-a>x<ctrl-b>
CLEARANCE NO TO_SEL NA NO YES NO &PATTERN_NO X &METRIC_SIZE &THREAD_SERIES - &THREAD_CLASS &STD_HOLE_TYPE &VAR_THREAD &THREAD_DEPTH /<ctrl-a>v<ctrl-b><ctrl-a>n<ctrl-b> &Cbore_diameter X &Cbore_depth<ctrl-a>x<ctrl-b>
CLEARANCE NO THRU_ALL NA NO YES YES &PATTERN_NO X &METRIC_SIZE &THREAD_SERIES - &THREAD_CLASS &STD_HOLE_TYPE &VAR_THREAD &THREAD_DEPTH /<ctrl-a>v<ctrl-b><ctrl-a>n<ctrl-b> &Cbore_diameter X /EXIT<ctrl-a>w<ctrl-b><ctrl-a>n<ctrl-b> &BOTCSINK_DIAM X &Cbore_depth<ctrl-a>x<ctrl-b>
CLEARANCE NO THRU_ALL NA YES NO NO &PATTERN_NO X &METRIC_SIZE &THREAD_SERIES - &THREAD_CLASS &STD_HOLE_TYPE &VAR_THREAD &THREAD_DEPTH /<ctrl-a>w<ctrl-b><ctrl-a>n<ctrl-b> &Csink_diameter X &Csink_angle[.1]<ctrl-a>$<ctrl-b>
CLEARANCE NO THRU_NEXT NA YES NO NO &PATTERN_NO X &METRIC_SIZE &THREAD_SERIES - &THREAD_CLASS &STD_HOLE_TYPE &VAR_THREAD &THREAD_DEPTH /<ctrl-a>w<ctrl-b><ctrl-a>n<ctrl-b> &Csink_diameter X &Csink_angle[.1]<ctrl-a>$<ctrl-b>
CLEARANCE NO THRU_UNTIL NA YES NO NO &PATTERN_NO X &METRIC_SIZE &THREAD_SERIES - &THREAD_CLASS &STD_HOLE_TYPE &VAR_THREAD &THREAD_DEPTH /<ctrl-a>w<ctrl-b><ctrl-a>n<ctrl-b> &Csink_diameter X &Csink_angle[.1]<ctrl-a>$<ctrl-b>
CLEARANCE NO TO_SEL NA YES NO NO &PATTERN_NO X &METRIC_SIZE &THREAD_SERIES - &THREAD_CLASS &STD_HOLE_TYPE &VAR_THREAD &THREAD_DEPTH /<ctrl-a>w<ctrl-b><ctrl-a>n<ctrl-b> &Csink_diameter X &Csink_angle[.1]<ctrl-a>$<ctrl-b>
CLEARANCE NO THRU_ALL NA YES NO YES &PATTERN_NO X &METRIC_SIZE &THREAD_SERIES - &THREAD_CLASS &STD_HOLE_TYPE &VAR_THREAD &THREAD_DEPTH /<ctrl-a>w<ctrl-b><ctrl-a>n<ctrl-b> &Csink_diameter X&Csink_angle[.1]<ctrl-a>$<ctrl-b>
CLEARANCE NO THRU_ALL NA YES YES NO &PATTERN_NO X &METRIC_SIZE &THREAD_SERIES - &THREAD_CLASS &STD_HOLE_TYPE &VAR_THREAD &THREAD_DEPTH /<ctrl-a>v<ctrl-b><ctrl-a>n<ctrl-b> &Cbore_diameter X /<ctrl-a>w<ctrl-b><ctrl-a>n<ctrl-b> &Csink_diameter X &Cbore_depth<ctrl-a>x<ctrl-b>
CLEARANCE NO THRU_NEXT NA YES YES NO &PATTERN_NO X &METRIC_SIZE &THREAD_SERIES - &THREAD_CLASS &STD_HOLE_TYPE &VAR_THREAD &THREAD_DEPTH /<ctrl-a>v<ctrl-b><ctrl-a>n<ctrl-b> &Cbore_diameter X /<ctrl-a>w<ctrl-b><ctrl-a>n<ctrl-b> &Csink_diameter X &Cbore_depth<ctrl-a>x<ctrl-b>
CLEARANCE NO THRU_UNTIL NA YES YES NO &PATTERN_NO X &METRIC_SIZE &THREAD_SERIES - &THREAD_CLASS &STD_HOLE_TYPE &VAR_THREAD &THREAD_DEPTH /<ctrl-a>v<ctrl-b><ctrl-a>n<ctrl-b> &Cbore_diameter X /<ctrl-a>w<ctrl-b><ctrl-a>n<ctrl-b> &Csink_diameter X &Cbore_depth<ctrl-a>x<ctrl-b>
CLEARANCE NO TO_SEL NA YES YES NO &PATTERN_NO X &METRIC_SIZE &THREAD_SERIES - &THREAD_CLASS &STD_HOLE_TYPE &VAR_THREAD &THREAD_DEPTH /<ctrl-a>v<ctrl-b><ctrl-a>n<ctrl-b> &Cbore_diameter X /<ctrl-a>w<ctrl-b><ctrl-a>n<ctrl-b> &Csink_diameter X &Cbore_depth<ctrl-a>x<ctrl-b>
CLEARANCE NO THRU_ALL NA YES YES YES &PATTERN_NO X &METRIC_SIZE &THREAD_SERIES - &THREAD_CLASS &STD_HOLE_TYPE &VAR_THREAD &THREAD_DEPTH /<ctrl-a>v<ctrl-b><ctrl-a>n<ctrl-b> &Cbore_diameter X /<ctrl-a>w<ctrl-b><ctrl-a>n<ctrl-b> &Csink_diameter X &Cbore_depth<ctrl-a>x<ctrl-b> /EXIT<ctrl-a>w<ctrl-b><ctrl-a>n<ctrl-b> &BOTCSINK_DIAM X &BOTCSINK_ANGLE[.1]<ctrl-a>$<ctrl-b>
DRILLED NO THRU_ALL NA NO NO NO <ctrl-a>n<ctrl-b> &DIAMETER[.2]THRU
DRILLED NO THRU_NEXT VAR NO NO NO NOT SET
DRILLED NO THRU_UNTIL VAR NO NO NO NOT SET
DRILLED NO TO_SEL VAR NO NO NO NOT SET
DRILLED NO VAR NA NO NO NO <ctrl-a>n<ctrl-b> &DIAMETER[.2] <ctrl-a>n<ctrl-b> &DRILL_DEPTH
DRILLED NO THRU_ALL NA NO NO YES NOT SET
DRILLED NO VAR NA NO NO YES NOT SET
DRILLED NO THRU_ALL NA NO YES NO <ctrl-a>n<ctrl-b> &DIAMETER[.2]THRU /<ctrl-a>v<ctrl-b> <ctrl-a>n<ctrl-b> &CBOREDIAM<ctrl-a>x<ctrl-b> &CBOREDEPTH
DRILLED NO THRU_NEXT VAR NO YES NO NOT SET
DRILLED NO THRU_UNTIL VAR NO YES NO NOT SET
DRILLED NO TO_SEL VAR NO YES NO NOT SET
DRILLED NO VAR NA NO YES NO NOT SET
DRILLED NO THRU_ALL NA NO YES YES NOT SET
DRILLED NO VAR NA NO YES YES NOT SET
DRILLED NO THRU_ALL NA YES NO NO <ctrl-a>n<ctrl-b> &DIAMETER[.2]THRU /<ctrl-a>w<ctrl-b> <ctrl-a>n<ctrl-b> &CSINKDIAM x &CSINKANGLE[.0]<ctrl-a>$<ctrl-b>
DRILLED NO THRU_NEXT VAR YES NO NO NOT SET
DRILLED NO THRU_UNTIL VAR YES NO NO NOT SET
DRILLED NO TO_SEL VAR YES NO NO NOT SET
DRILLED NO VAR NA YES NO NO NOT SET
DRILLED NO THRU_ALL NA YES NO YES NOT SET
DRILLED NO VAR NA YES NO YES NOT SET
DRILLED NO THRU_ALL NA YES YES NO NOT SET
DRILLED NO THRU_NEXT VAR YES YES NO NOT SET
DRILLED NO THRU_UNTIL VAR YES YES NO NOT SET
DRILLED NO TO_SEL VAR YES YES NO NOT SET
DRILLED NO VAR NA YES YES NO NOT SET
DRILLED NO THRU_ALL NA YES YES YES NOT SET
DRILLED NO VAR NA YES YES YES NOT SET
TAPERED YES VAR VAR NO NO NO NOT SET
TAPERED YES VAR VAR NO YES NO NOT SET
TAPERED YES VAR VAR YES NO NO NOT SET
TAPERED YES VAR VAR YES YES NO NOT SET
TAPPED YES THRU_ALL VAR NO NO NO TAP &FASTENER_ID <ctrl-a>x<ctrl-b> &THREAD_DEPTH / TAP DRILL THRU
TAPPED YES THRU_ALL THRU NO NO NO &FASTENER_ID &THREAD_SERIES - &THREAD_CLASS THRU
TAPPED YES THRU_NEXT VAR NO NO NO NOT SET
TAPPED YES THRU_UNTIL VAR NO NO NO NOT SET
TAPPED YES TO_SEL VAR NO NO NO NOT SET
TAPPED YES VAR VAR NO NO NO &FASTENER_ID &THREAD_CLASS/ <ctrl-a>X<ctrl-b> &THREAD_DEPTH
TAPPED YES THRU_ALL VAR NO NO YES NOT SET
TAPPED YES THRU_ALL THRU NO NO YES NOT SET
TAPPED YES THRU_ALL VAR NO YES NO NOT SET
TAPPED YES THRU_ALL THRU NO YES NO NOT SET
TAPPED YES THRU_NEXT VAR NO YES NO NOT SET
TAPPED YES THRU_UNTIL VAR NO YES NO NOT SET
TAPPED YES TO_SEL VAR NO YES NO NOT SET
TAPPED YES VAR VAR NO YES NO NOT SET
TAPPED YES THRU_ALL VAR NO YES YES NOT SET
TAPPED YES THRU_ALL THRU NO YES YES NOT SET
TAPPED YES THRU_ALL VAR YES NO NO NOT SET
TAPPED YES THRU_ALL THRU YES NO NO NOT SET
TAPPED YES THRU_NEXT VAR YES NO NO NOT SET
TAPPED YES THRU_UNTIL VAR YES NO NO NOT SET
TAPPED YES TO_SEL VAR YES NO NO NOT SET
TAPPED YES VAR VAR YES NO NO NOT SET
TAPPED YES THRU_ALL VAR YES NO YES NOT SET
TAPPED YES THRU_ALL THRU YES NO YES NOT SET
TAPPED YES THRU_ALL VAR YES YES NO NOT SET
TAPPED YES THRU_ALL THRU YES YES NO NOT SET
TAPPED YES THRU_NEXT VAR YES YES NO NOT SET
TAPPED YES THRU_UNTIL VAR YES YES NO NOT SET
TAPPED YES TO_SEL VAR YES YES NO NOT SET
TAPPED YES VAR VAR YES YES NO NOT SET
TAPPED YES THRU_ALL VAR YES YES YES NOT SET
TAPPED YES THRU_ALL THRU YES YES YES NOT SET
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BillChapman13-Aquamarine
13-Aquamarine
March 5, 2013
There are some improvements that the hole feature could use, but you do not need separate files to change the note callouts. See attached on formatting the callout matrix.

Regards,
Bill
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A.DelNegro1-Visitor
1-Visitor
March 5, 2013
Holy cow! (pardon the pun) That’s a huge file compared to the original. Why wouldn’t we all want this as default functionality? Now I know why I never went there… Also, I agree with the manual update comment. I’ve had to go back and update holes before. Now why would they create a button to allow you to update the note and not just have it update automatically??? If the hole has changed, would it not be required that you change the note to match it???



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mheath1-Visitor
1-Visitor
March 8, 2013
Good Friday morning to all,
From Tom’s email show below showing the Default_Callout_Format_Data. Does anybody know if it’s possible when you have a clearance drill to differentiate between the Close Fit and Free Fit that Creo 2.0 now offers in this table? I can either call out the Free Fit or the Close Fit, but format of the note won’t change when switching between the two fits. I have attached my unc.hol to show you what I just created for my company.

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Thanks in advance,

Carpe Diem,
"Happiness equals reality minus expectations"

Michael Heath
Schlumberger Reservoir Completions
14910 Airline Rd.
Rosharon, TX 77583
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23-Emerald IV
TomU23-Emerald IV
23-Emerald IV
March 8, 2013
You can reference any of the hole table columns directly in your note, including “CLEAR_DR_CLEAR”, “CLEAR_DR_FREE”, etc. You cannot, however, automatically change the format of the note based on which fit is used since “fit” is not one of the columns in the hole callout matrix. Changing the fit will not select a different row in the matrix.

Tom U.
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23-Emerald IV
TomU23-Emerald IV
23-Emerald IV
March 8, 2013
I should clarify one thing. If you want the note to read correctly regardless of which fit is used, use “DRILL_DIAMETER” instead. This will always read the actual value used instead of simply what is listed in the table for the three different fits.
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mheath1-Visitor
1-Visitor
March 8, 2013
Tom,
Thanks. That worked perfectly.
Mike
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BrianTaylor8-Gravel
8-Gravel
March 8, 2013
TABLE_DATA
PRO_VERSION 24
THREAD_SERIES HELICAL
CLASS 2B
TABLE_UNITS inch
DEPTH_RATIO 1.25
CALLOUT_FORMAT <ctrl-a>w<ctrl-b> <ctrl-a>n<ctrl-b>&CSINKDIAM # .015
&CSINKANGLE[.0] $ # 5 $ / &METRIC_SIZE UNC-&THREAD_CLASS / &THREAD_SERIES
COIL INSERT / THD PER NASM33537 / FULL THD <ctrl-a>x<ctrl-b> MIN/ TAP
DRILL <ctrl-a>x<ctrl-b> # .010/ INSTALL INSERT .75-1.5 / TURNS BELOW
SURFACE


These take alot of work to get setup but hey can work the above Callout
format gives me this when I show the note on a drawing.




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mheath1-Visitor
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March 8, 2013
Brian,
It is a lot of work, but like you said once you get it set up it’s absolutely fantastic. Now I get this automatically created when I put in a hole feature.

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