HEEEELP! How to edit an .igs file on PTC Creo?

Hate it. this is the worst kind of crapware i have ever seen. It so bad, that im thinking about leaving a really good job, just to get out of it.

Parametrics dont regenerate stable

geometric constrainst fall apart

patterns, wont update. for no apparrent reason.

geometric constraints in skeches, redefine, move and create at will.

load/weights dont update correctly.

I cant use entered load data on purchased parts, to do anything.

The abuse of my poor arm. whoever makes this, have a click fettich. the amount of hand movement/cliking is at least double that of AD inventor.

Things fail, but the trafic light is still green.

WHEN the trafic light is red, the only way of locating the problem, is writing down the part name on a piece of paper, the using the find function to find the part.. WHY cant i just right click it, then find in tree, the function is there

No solutions to problems. Just workarounds. ( i feel like the dashboard in my car has lost all lighting, and im sitting in the car with a flashlight in my mouth. YES i can see the dash, no i dont like driving like that)

The borow licens feature broke. For no apperant reason. The fix, was an old one. But not implemented in the setup.

un intuitive menus

The unatended install doesnt work

Comming from inventor, now i have to get used to calculating between

some menues cant be activated by enter, or by midlle clicking. meaning MORE mouse work

The list just goes on and on and on.

one day a hole can be made with thread.. The next the same hole has to be redefined as a hole with cosmetic thread. The third day, i had to redo it, as an extrution, with a cosmetic thread..

I cant alter a hole, from a threaded, to a non threaded, without loosing my patterns.

No easy way to do any logic programming. In inventor, when something bothered me, i could do a macro. Here i can record a mapkey, to always do the same. Meaning, that if i want to do something to all part, i have to select them one by one, and THEN activate my mapkey.

Then theres the things that need a drawing to explain

Granted, the new menus, are better than the old ones... But the old ones are still here

In short.

i dont trust it, because things dont update.

i cant fix half of the problems, because the menues are old an undocumented.

i cant do a construction, and with a good feeling in my stomach say.. now its right. Because i dont know.

Having read all these fine comments, I sense a bit of frustration with Creo

I've been working with Pro/E since 1999. Came from a company that was using Unigraphics back then.

It was a HUGE step backwards.

Over the years I came to understand Pro/Engineer and really like the way it works. Though I'm still missing some of the functions from the old Unigraphics.

Windchill was added along the way and new problems arrived.

2½ years ago I joined a company which had moved from Inventor to WF5 due to a corporate decision.

NO happy workers there. Windchill was f...everything up, and people were generally frustrated.

It took more than a year to correct Windchill 9.1M030 behaviour and make people accustomed to WF5. They're not happy with it, but can their day to day work without too much hassle.

Now we've moved to Windchill 10 and a much better UI. Still problems, but we're working on them.

My point here is: Why do I have to spend so much time on making things right and teaching basic CAD stuff to experienced Inventor users?

I want to do engineering in WF5/Creo and not spend so much time on system administration.

PS - I think Creo 2 is a huge step forward, but see BIG problems ahead when we change from WF5 to Creo 2.0 (again corporate decision).

Ok Just found another, you just can mean its like this.

I made a pattern of som threaded holes.

Then i made som more features on the thing.

Then i desided the bolts have to go through from the other side.

So then i wanted to change my hole pattern, from threaded, to through hole.

No can do.

i just HATE this crapware

I am reluctantly using Creo Elements / Direct Modeling with my current job. They hired several of us, and we are all attending a Creo class, taught remotely online. My employer is huge, and I was told my an engineer here that they will NEVER switch from Creo to any other CAD system, because of how Creo interfaces with the ERP/MRP system. This engineer tried several years ago to point out the cost-saving (time-saving) advantages of SolidWorks, but to no avail. Upper management simply closes their ears and eyes.

As I take notes in class, I make a note of all the limitations and frustrations in Creo compared to SolidWorks. SolidWorks is the most user friendly, intuitive CAD software I have ever used. My boss, optimistic and unaware of the management hard-liners, wanted me to make a spreadsheet comparing the two CAD packages. So far I have over 115 comparisons that prove SolidWorks far superior.

For example, you can't have a triangle or square around your notes text. The "Save As" command is incredibly complex, To trim a part, four of us took 30 minutes collectively to try to figure that out, etc. It's really a poorly written, user UNfriendly program. If anyone wants a copy of my spreadsheet, please let me know.

Thanks, guys. Yes, I am super confused on all the PTC Products and why they don't completely change the names. For example, when you launch Creo Elements / Direct Modeling, the name CoCreate still appears during launch. Also, when you hover over the icon on your taskbar, it's CoCreate. Also, the ACTIVE forum (http://www.cocreateusers.org/forum/) is named CoCreate. WIth all the confusion about the names, I was not surprised that Creo 2 might be another name for CoCreate or even Pro/E. It just seems like the entire company is sloppy. SolidWorks has a very active and useful discussion forum. CoCreate only has 3 pages of user groups; SolidWorks has dozens, and a very active user group community. I'm disappointed in the company and especially the software. But my employer uses it, and I love my job, so I can't complete. I think naming it PRO/Create is a GREAT idea! . I guess I'll migrate from here over to the CoCreate forum. Thanks again! @MandoAnne on Twitter, and I'm also on Linked In - Anne Yust.

I hate {insert any changes to any product in the history of mankind} Believe it or not the user base became irate many years ago when our phone network grew to a point that people were asked to memorize a special code in order to reach the party desired... called... a Phone Number. I said it before I will say it again .. .you don't have to like the changes, there are thousands of 24 year old engineers just out of college without work that will be more than glad to impress you with their skills. Funny how I have never heard any of these engineers complain about the interface. Bottom line as we get older and set in our ways... we look as change as an obstacle instead of embracing it....

Jeremy

I can understand the frustration going from WF5 to Creo 2, it is a big step and takes some time to get use to it.

Personally, I found WF5 a big problem, as I work with the manufacting side, they had screwed the new interface, disabled the old system, which can be turned back on via a hidden option " enable_classic_nc_steps", this one is so hidden, the support guys didn't even know about it,i had to scream down the phone line before PTC hand it over.

with Creo 2 they have made an attempt to fix a lot of the bugs that was in Creo 1, you really would be upset if you had Creo 1.

we always keep upto date with each new release, this helps when making big steps from an old version . I am the office lab rat, I usually switch over around november to any new version, and spend till january sorting it out, before the rest of the office swtich over at the end of january, that way we can avoid mass confusion as someone in the office can assist.

Hints and tips

1. create your own custom ribbon with all the commands you need on one ribbon make it more like WF5 if you want, it need to save the creo_parametric_customization.ui in the following location

C:\Users\lyonsp\AppData\Roaming\PTC\ProENGINEER\Wildfire\.wf\.Settings

yes it is store in wildfire setting folder, not creo ?????

make sure the option" load_ui_customization_run_dir" is set to" NO "in your config.pro

with the two thing above set, you will have the same ribbon every time.

2. PURGE COMMAND

with the internal structure changed in Creo, it handles external programs differently, the following is an extracte from our PTC support for how to set the purge command

Dear Peter,

Regarding the issue of purge command, could you please test these things

1. Set an environment variable called PATH to bin folder (example C:\PTC\Creo 2.0\Parametric\bin)

1. Set config.pro option terminal_command to C:\Windows\system32\cmd.exe

1. Ensure purge.exe file is available at C:\PTC\Creo 2.0\Common Files\M030\x86e_win64\obj

1. PTC installation folders should have write permissions

Please let us know if it fixes

environment variable are set via the control panel, if there is a path set already for other programs, add the PTC path for the location of the PURGE command on the end. The main ones to set is the PATH and the config.pro option for terminal.

3. MAPKEYS

Again our support informed us that the structure of mapkeys has changed, a lot of the pre set mapkeys are gone, and basically we had to reset all our mapkeys.

4. The system information window is a very helpful tool to use, to find out what license you are running, what optional modules are loaded, and the load paths for all the setting files, it is located on the file\help

Nobody likes change, but our view here is if we keep the update process current to the latest release, the steps will be only small ones.

And one passing thought......

I have been told that PTC is in the transtion phase with creo , from the old software direction, to where they want the new software to be in 2016, and that they are doing this in 5 steps ( Creo 1 to 5 ), I would recommend that everyone try to keep up to date with the latest version.

Peter

Our hate for Creo isn't about adapting to change. Like the comment about the steering wheel and the brake being in the right place in a car (don't change it!), that's the point! Another example. Suppose you get a new job, and instead of using MS Excel, your new employer uses Fly-By-Night Spreadsheets. You get used to it, sure - it's CHANGE, after all. Any college student would be happy to use a spreadsheet that doesn't sort, doesn't use formulas, doesn't allow text in the cells - only numbers - SURE! What fun! They need a job, so it's NO PROBLEM. They ask, "what's wrong with the old geezers who miss the sort command - EMBRACE CHANGE!"

This is NOT about change. It's about programmers writing software that functions well, like SolidWorks. It's about a company with excellent customer service (SolidWorks), a company who LISTENS to user input about improvements to software and interface, a company with a huge and supportive user group community (again, SolidWorks). PTC is not even in the ring.

For anyone who wants a copy of my spreadsheet comparing 142 items between Creo and SolidWorks, please provide your name and email address.

Does anyone have the tldr version?

We made the move about 2 months ago now...I think it is complete JUNK!!! In two months I've found maybe 4 features I like better and everything else takes 2-3X the steps to do something, or doesn't do it at all. If it was up to me, we would go back to Wildfire, or change to Solid Works.