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gpeetersem12-Amethyst
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December 22, 2021
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Parallelogram mechanism with limits

  • December 22, 2021
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Hi guys,

I'm creating a parallelogram mechanism in Creo 3 and I'm struggling with the limits of this mechanism.

I was able to connect all "links" correctly with pin and cylinder connections. But now I also want to add some limits and I don't want to integrate some minimum and maximum angles in one of the links (with the “rotation axis”), because the limits can change when the width of the links are changing. What I want to do is putting in the real limits by a minimum distance of zero mm between two surfaces. The only problem is that I don’t know which connection I can use for this.

Can somebody help me with this?

Here you can see what I mean:
The mechanism has in its left position a limit of 0mm.

Minimum limit left.png

 

The mechanism has in its right position a limit of 0mm too:
Minimum limit right.png

 

Another thing what is happening with this mechanism, is that the links get crossed while moving it. I hope this can be solved with these limits too.

Error in mechanism.png

 

In attachment you can find the assembly and the parts I'm working with.

Best answer by pausob

 

I opened your file and made it work by:

1) adding a plane in MECH_HINGE_ARM_2.PRT that is offset by 5mm from the part's large front surface - this plane is coincident with the front surface of the other blue MECH_HINGE_ARM_1.PRT.  I'm not sure if that is necessary, but in my experience, coincident constraints behave much better than the "distance" type.

 

2) Planar connection made using translation axis 2... Using translation axis 1 didn't work as the limit dimension was in the "wrong" direction (u instead of v, so to speak...)   Also, the dimension produced by the system was -ve, so max limit had to be imposed to make the limit condition when the reference surfaces touch:

pausob_1-1640253903303.png

 

pausob_2-1640253929030.png

 

Not sure what to to tell you - with Creo, it doesn't always make sense and you have to try few things before it works...

pausob_4-1640254304433.png

pausob_3-1640254289946.png

 

2 replies

tbraxton
22-Sapphire II
tbraxton22-Sapphire II
22-Sapphire II
December 22, 2021

If you want to handle this without writing relations and creating analysis features, you can work it out graphically. Have you considered adding a slot mechanism for kinematic purposes to limit this movement? This will constrain the rotation DOF of the assembly. If you were to use a motion skeleton you can add the slot/follower mechanism that would constrain the motion based on the linkage geometry so it will update with linkage changes. This slot mechanism would be used for kinematic control only and would not include solid parts in the assembly. The slot geometry would regenerate based on the linkage layout and would update when the motion skeleton regenerates. The ends of the slot would impose the limit positions of the assembly as desired. It appears that you would be able to easily define this with some datum curves in a motion skeleton.

 

 

 

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    gpeetersem12-AmethystAuthor
    12-Amethyst
    December 23, 2021

    Thanks for the answer tbraxton!

    Only thing is, I don't know how to integrate this slot mechanism... I have to select a "point on line". But which point and line do I have to select.

    I haven't worked with motion skeletons, so maybe I first have to figure out how this works...

    Or is there a possibility that you change the assembly I have added to my first post. Than I can see how to do this...

     

    Regards!

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    19-Tanzanite
    pausob19-Tanzanite
    19-Tanzanite
    December 23, 2021

    I assume that one of the blue links shown in your mechanism already has a "pin" type of connection.

    Add another connection to this link, this one of type "planar".  This planar connection will be kinematically redundant as it will specify that the blue links must move on a common plane (you might need to define this plane in the link parts if it doesn't coincide to the physical bearing surface, e.g.)

    Anyway, the planar connection will also allow you to specify how close a set of faces perpendicular to this plane (one on the follower and the other on the driver) will be allowed to get.

    Example (note: I've cobbled this together from a very generic "Link.prt" model I had and I used the same model but assembled it as 3 flexible components, varying their length and description text.  Also note that the link components are joined by pin / cylindrical  joints which use their blocky edges for axis definition):

     

    Common 4-bar parallel linkage where Link 1 and Link 2 have same length, and the link 3 and the ground also have a common length between their pin jointsCommon 4-bar parallel linkage where Link 1 and Link 2 have same length, and the link 3 and the ground also have a common length between their pin joints

     

    Planar constraint between link 1 and link 2Planar constraint between link 1 and link 2

     

    Optional constraint on the planar connectionOptional constraint on the planar connection

     

    Motion is limited to the zone where the driver and follower links are parallel and cannot cross-over because they cannot get closer than 10mm away from each other.  Extreme positions:

    1) pausob_4-1640250916175.png 2) pausob_3-1640250835067.png

     

     

     

     

     

     

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      gpeetersem12-AmethystAuthor
      12-Amethyst
      December 23, 2021

      Hi pausob,

      thanks for this reply. This is indeed what I want to achive, but the problem is that when I add the "Translation axis 1" in the planar connection, this is giving me a dimension which is parrallel and not perpendicular to the surfaces which I'm selecting. So this is doing some real strange things...
      Any idea what I'm doing wrong?

      Planar 1.png

       

      Planar 2.png

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      19-Tanzanite
      pausob19-TanzaniteAnswer
      19-Tanzanite
      December 23, 2021

       

      I opened your file and made it work by:

      1) adding a plane in MECH_HINGE_ARM_2.PRT that is offset by 5mm from the part's large front surface - this plane is coincident with the front surface of the other blue MECH_HINGE_ARM_1.PRT.  I'm not sure if that is necessary, but in my experience, coincident constraints behave much better than the "distance" type.

       

      2) Planar connection made using translation axis 2... Using translation axis 1 didn't work as the limit dimension was in the "wrong" direction (u instead of v, so to speak...)   Also, the dimension produced by the system was -ve, so max limit had to be imposed to make the limit condition when the reference surfaces touch:

      pausob_1-1640253903303.png

       

      pausob_2-1640253929030.png

       

      Not sure what to to tell you - with Creo, it doesn't always make sense and you have to try few things before it works...

      pausob_4-1640254304433.png

      pausob_3-1640254289946.png

       

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