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Pro/CABLING - WildFire 5 - User Feedback Requested.

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March 16, 2011
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PTC & the Routed Systems Technical Committee is looking for Feedback about the NEW Cabling in WildFire 5.

Please provide us with feedback (positive & negative) so future enhancements can be made.

Remember, this is just for WildFire 5 Cabling.

Thanks!

Aron Oler
Routed Systems T/C Chair

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Marshdamp

1-Visitor

Prior to WF5 we could insert an offset location on an existing segment
and select a coordinate system as the 'from' and 'direction' reference.
The system would then ask for the x, y, and z offsets but would also
default to values that would put the location exactly where we
originally clicked on the segment. This allows us to add locations to a
harness with out distorting its current shape. In WF5 the location
defaults to 0, 0, 0 and the system gives no indication of what x, y, and
z values would put the location close to where the segment currently is.
This results in a giant loop that goes through 0, 0, 0 and is a major
pain to drag back to where it should be. This will make harness routing
much more difficult for us when we do move to WF5.

/Michael

D

dbowles

4-Participant

Not on WF 5 yet, but hoping they do not remove the offset function

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JimBarrettSmith

5-Regular Member

Michael

Why are you adding an offset location if you do not want to change the
shape of the harness? Why add a standard location?

If you do not want assembly references then simply route your harness
referencing a shrinkwrap / copied geom. Once the harness is complete
delete the shrinkwrap / copied geom and convert all the locations to be
offset from a global csys

Thanks

Jim

G

glfgy741

1-Visitor

I'll third that....going to 0,0,0 is a complete waste.

Just throw a point in and drag it to your location then redefine your location to that point....

J

JimBarrettSmith

5-Regular Member

The offset option has not been removed it is simply a little different see the attached movie

Thanks

Jim

1_offsetlocation.wmv

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JimBarrettSmith

5-Regular Member

David

Can you confirm that using offset is to ensure that there are no
assembly references?

Thanks

Jim

G

glfgy741

1-Visitor

I'm going to jump in and say that it takes much more time to create shrinkwraps and/or copy geoms than to add a location related to the geometry then add an offset location nearby and keeping the cable the same..

Not to mention the lighter weight of the model...because we all know the important of size and speed...

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frederick.burke

1-Visitor

I thought this was an old trick that only the old school cable dogs knew.

When a cable location is failing it is usually very difficult to tell where the failure is coming from.

I will often reroute a failed location to 0,0,0. Later, after I graduate from failure mode, I can

remove that location and my cable will recover. If you have multiple cables in an installation, this

is much easier than identifying where that location should be.

Best regards,

Frederick Burke

A

amedina

1-Visitor

I like the point thing, I've used it before and it works. Basically you are
re-defining the failed location. Some times locations fail because of
external references that unfortunately you made and also forgot to open.
Those will show up in red. That way you can tell which locations you need to
fix by adding points. well some times you need more than just points like
maybe two points and a line to make a straight piece.

regards,

Alfonso

On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 9:36 AM, Burke, Frederick W (AS)

M

Marshdamp

1-Visitor

It's for that and for the fact that it creates a location that is
extremely easy to drag around. Here's how we do it:

Create a harness assembly and assemble it to the vehicle. Activate the
harness in the context of the vehicle and create coordinate systems
where all the connectors go. Assemble all the connectors to the
coordinate systems. Create 2 offset locations and a network segment off
the back of each connector with the offset locations being referenced to
the connector coordinate system. Create network segments between the
various network stubs on the back of the connectors. Quickly add offset
locations to the new segments and drag them so the harness routes
through the vehicle where we want it to. For us this is significantly
faster and easier then fooling around with copy geometry. We often use
the same harness in two or more vehicles. With this method we can save
a copy of the original harness, assemble it to a different vehicle and
quickly drag the locations around to fit the different configuration. No
need to create a bunch of copied surface. Another reason for doing it
this way is that vehicle harnesses tend to route through space and next
to multiple components that often have complex surfaces (engines,
casting, etc) We are not routing wires in a nice simple box with 3 or 4
flat surfaces where we can pick locations on a surface.

Regards,

Michael

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