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June 19, 2014
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relevant learnings from the PTC Live Global event.

  • June 19, 2014
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Hi folks,



Other than the huge item we all are discussing regarding PTCUser. there are
a couple of things that I learned that we have discussed on here recently.



Creo 3.0 has a lot of decent changes that we will like - among which are:

you can specify 3 colors for draft check.

MMB to kill the measure tool

Those two really please me.



Another that I am excited with cautious optimism: they've reconstructed the
edit references tool to have a dashboard and added a handful of tools that -
in the DEMO - make it look much more helpful. We'll see.



Honestly, I have never been looking forward to an F000 build before, but I
am now. It seems like they have done a decent job and have addressed issues
and added functionality to make 3.0 much better. Again, we'll see.



I have never used Creo Direct or the Freestyle tool that comes in Creo
Parametric, but I saw demos on both and I am intrigued. The Freestyle
feature now is able to be tied to parametric geometry so one can control the
freestyle geometry to some extent.



RMB context menus are now configurable - in a very limited way, but the
promise was made that the freedom of customizing will grow in subsequent
releases. There are now icons in the RMB menus for redefine and reroute
making selection of those commands much easier and quicker. They have not
improved the ribbon scheme at all.



Dynamic interference check. I didn't see it really, only heard about it.



Smart fasteners - again, not sure how it works, but the demo showed a bolt
selected and positioned in the assy where it needed to go and the clearance
and threaded holes in the parts were created and washer assembled
automatically. I see that as not working as well in real life, but it could
be a time saver.



Chordal round was added (keep constant width.)



Ref Pattern does not req. the leader to be used.



Also,



We had a thread on here not too long ago about the (lack of a) materials
database inside Creo - I met a company in the Expo that offers just that -
materials database for Creo. He would not tell me what it cost, so you know
it isn't $50 - probably more like $5000 - who knows. But it might be of
interest to some - grantadesign.com



Back to work.



-Nate


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1-Visitor
June 19, 2014

Three color draft would have been worth the price of admission alonefor me. Finally I am glad they came to their senses!


On the other stuff.....


Why didn't just kill the measure tool altogether?


Dynamic Interference check in Assembly? That has been there for some time. Is it new functionality or just moved some place else within the suite?


As far as the "ooey, gooey" features likeDirect and Freestyle getting better, I will not hold my breath either. Functionalitylike that really does not resultin any "work" in the real world. For years there was always talk and mis-fires regarding the "easy modification features" like those and it never really amounted to anything useful. Sure you can pull geometry around like taffy, but what is the point? I guess if I were in the marsmallow engineering business it might make sense....other than that...harumph!


Edit references....hmmmm...what can I say other than each time I inadvertently click that worthless PITA buttonbecause is sits right next to the ultra useful Edit Definition button...I silently curse the programmer that obviously did not work for a living on Pro that placed it where it was. Personally...I never use Edit References.


As far as mouse buttons and their functions....I already have carpal tunnel from all the mouse clicks it takes now. I get all warm and fuzzy thinking about the clicking future.


How about smart Holes? We still have to use the L-I-M-I-T-E-D canned offering within the hole tool. Smart Fasteners sounds neat....


Don't mean to sound like a whiner....but when you have been around the PTC block as many years as I have, it just doesn't inspire any longer.


What about Creo for a tablet?


What about fixing the nightmare of multiple config files?


I have to run to a meeting.....the list could go on and on......

21-Topaz II
June 19, 2014
Dean,

If you've never used "edit references" (or reroute as it was once called), you're missing out on one of the most powerful tools in Proe for maintaining design intent. One that I sorely miss whenever I have to use SolidWorks.

Nightmare of multiple config files? I'm sure you meant the power of multiple config files. Being able to load multiple configs mean I can lock down some options in one (config.sup), create a company wide starting point in another (company config.pro), load my client's prefs in a third (client config.pro) and allow my users to control their own options in a 4th (user congif.pro). Another thing I miss in SW, I have only control on how that install was initially set up, period. If I want to change things for all, I need to touch every machine, logged in as each user.

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1-Visitor
June 19, 2014
Doug and Dudes,



I just finished a Solid Works trial version a couple of weeks ago. The Solid
Works guy emailed me today and I told him where I stood. In my evaluation I
did not find anything worth switching to Solid Works for. Personally I think
that there is too much wasted time ADDING DIMENSIONS on drawings. They
missed the boat COMPLETELY.



It's always good to know things about other CAD systems.



Michael P. Locascio


1-Visitor
June 19, 2014

Doug,


It's not that I don't understand Edit Refs, I simply can Edit Definition faster and with more confidence that when the model regens I still have a good model. You say po-tay-to, I sat po-tah-to...we still love spuds!


Yes, for me...config.sup, config.pro, current-config.pro, friday-config.pro just gets crazy. Maybe more to the point is the over-ride of the one that went active when pro was launched and then not having active, then not really knowing where the "active' one is, or saved or.....!!!!! I am just a CAD monkey.....I don't want to track all that Crapola. I know the AdminMonkies need it....so I know I am just whining. ;o)

1-Visitor
June 19, 2014
CAD Monkeys UNITE!




17-Peridot
June 19, 2014
Could someone please point me to the webpage where I can upload my presentation I do at PTC Live Global?

We have the wrong PDF's uploaded for our presentation.

Thank you,
Lance Lie

1-Visitor
June 19, 2014
The problem I have with Edit Refs, and other edit/redefine features at least in CE/P WF5, is the lack of specific, helpful feedback.

I can go to edit references | missing references. The prompt will come back with a generic dialog like 'select datum plane, face, etc... but I get no visual indication from the software what/where the old reference was located.
My only recourse is to try to open another session of the software, reload an older model if I can find one, and roll back to find what the expected references are.

This is where competing CAD softwares really shine.


Christopher F. Gosnell

FPD Company
124 Hidden Valley Road
McMurray, PA 15317
nrollins2-ExplorerAuthor
2-Explorer
June 19, 2014
Ahh, Chris,



This has been addressed - every model saves a "ghost" image of every
reference (at the expense of file size) for just this purpose. The
reference ghost (my term) is a config option - in the demo it was very clear
and seemed to work very well.



I personally cannot imagine running Creo without "reroute" - Without it,
Solidworks would really be a formidable competitor. Not using Edit Refs
only happens because one never took the time to learn it. I miss it every
time I need to use SWX. Dean, you should give it another college try.



-Nate


1-Visitor
June 19, 2014
Yes, another case for training..


1-Visitor
June 19, 2014
WAIT A MINUTE! HOLD THE PHONE! There has to be a reference (in color) of
what you are trying to replace. That's the way that Pro/E has handled even
before we had this menu driven UI.



Michael P. Locascio