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nrollins2-Explorer
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June 19, 2014
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relevant learnings from the PTC Live Global event.

  • June 19, 2014
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Hi folks,



Other than the huge item we all are discussing regarding PTCUser. there are
a couple of things that I learned that we have discussed on here recently.



Creo 3.0 has a lot of decent changes that we will like - among which are:

you can specify 3 colors for draft check.

MMB to kill the measure tool

Those two really please me.



Another that I am excited with cautious optimism: they've reconstructed the
edit references tool to have a dashboard and added a handful of tools that -
in the DEMO - make it look much more helpful. We'll see.



Honestly, I have never been looking forward to an F000 build before, but I
am now. It seems like they have done a decent job and have addressed issues
and added functionality to make 3.0 much better. Again, we'll see.



I have never used Creo Direct or the Freestyle tool that comes in Creo
Parametric, but I saw demos on both and I am intrigued. The Freestyle
feature now is able to be tied to parametric geometry so one can control the
freestyle geometry to some extent.



RMB context menus are now configurable - in a very limited way, but the
promise was made that the freedom of customizing will grow in subsequent
releases. There are now icons in the RMB menus for redefine and reroute
making selection of those commands much easier and quicker. They have not
improved the ribbon scheme at all.



Dynamic interference check. I didn't see it really, only heard about it.



Smart fasteners - again, not sure how it works, but the demo showed a bolt
selected and positioned in the assy where it needed to go and the clearance
and threaded holes in the parts were created and washer assembled
automatically. I see that as not working as well in real life, but it could
be a time saver.



Chordal round was added (keep constant width.)



Ref Pattern does not req. the leader to be used.



Also,



We had a thread on here not too long ago about the (lack of a) materials
database inside Creo - I met a company in the Expo that offers just that -
materials database for Creo. He would not tell me what it cost, so you know
it isn't $50 - probably more like $5000 - who knows. But it might be of
interest to some - grantadesign.com



Back to work.



-Nate


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RandyJones20-Turquoise
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June 19, 2014
On 06/19/14 14:23, Chris Gosnell wrote:
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> The problem I have with Edit Refs, and other edit/redefine features at least in CE/P WF5, is the
> lack of specific, helpful feedback.
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> I can go to edit references | missing references. The prompt will come back with a generic dialog
> like 'select datum plane, face, etc... but I get no visual indication from the software what/where
> the old reference was located.
>

New in Creo Parametric 3.0 is an image of the old reference:

> a CAD monkey.....I don't want to track all that Crapola. I know the AdminMonkies need it....so I
> know I am just whining. ;o)
>
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ptc-28607371-Visitor
1-Visitor
June 19, 2014
No, I have the same complaint about failed references not showing up when
trying to use reroute. Makes reroute of failed features almost useless
(unless you open an old model to see what went missing as Chris
mentioned). This is when you go into 'edit definition' and then you get
to see the original curves even though the references are missing.


Doug Barton
Senior Mechanical Designer
Parker Hannifin Canada
Electronic Controls Division
1305 Clarence Avenue
Winnipeg, MB R3T 1T4 Canada
direct 204 453 3339 x309
fax 204 452 7156
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www.parker.com/ecd




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ptc-28607371-Visitor
1-Visitor
June 19, 2014
This is on WF4.0


Doug Barton
Senior Mechanical Designer
Parker Hannifin Canada
Electronic Controls Division
1305 Clarence Avenue
Winnipeg, MB R3T 1T4 Canada
direct 204 453 3339 x309
fax 204 452 7156
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www.parker.com/ecd


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nrollins2-ExplorerAuthor
2-Explorer
June 19, 2014
But if you know your model and know what is missing, reroute lets you FLY
through a failure - much quicker than Edit Definition. I tend to try edit
refs first and if I get lost, I resort to Edit Def. I find my hit rate
makes that extra effort pay off overall. Certainly less success if it is not
your model or legacy work.



Nate




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nrollins2-ExplorerAuthor
2-Explorer
June 19, 2014
Yes - in Failure Resolve Mode>investigate backup model> roll to failure >
reroute, the refs would be colored and highlighted. But they still existed
in the backup model so they could be displayed. This functionality can
still be used in Creo2 if you turn it on. In CR3 the missing refs will
still have their ghost to tell us where they were from in the failed model.




I really miss FRM - but I am hopeful that this is even better.


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pfariello1-Visitor
1-Visitor
June 19, 2014
Just cannot seem to find the presentations from the event. Any suggestions in locating them would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Patrick Fariello
CommScope
1300 E. Lookout Dr. Suite 150
Richardson, TX 75082
phone: 972-792-3303
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kimndave91-Visitor
1-Visitor
June 20, 2014

I like the other feature of edit refs - when a large number of features refers to an item all those references can be changed.


For example, if a number of features uses a default datum plane, but the model needs them to move, one can reroute all the references -to- the default datum plane and convert them to refer to a different datum plane, one that is separate, without going into each of the items and making that change.


This is really handy in large assemblies when large numbers of components refer to one part which a different part is replacing.


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DeanLong1-Visitor
1-Visitor
June 20, 2014

Yes, yes....I know.....never say never. David/Doug/Nate, for that type of situation I do use Edit Refs. But those are, I believe, statistically low occurances relative to everyday use....at least in my world.The situation I see many get themselves into is modeling and/or assembling things without the manufacturing process or assembly order in mind. It's in these scenarios, when sloppymodeling or assembly methods are used,that tools like edit refs become handy.Now I know not every person, every day with every model finds themselves in ths pickle or models things badly. I am not intending to flame anyone....but it does happen. And...I am glad we have these redundant and overlapping functionality tools to deal with it.


The most common catalyst for this that I see is setting datum reference frames after the fact. Many times it's not possible to predict how manufacturing will want to inspect the product. Also, many times features/parts will change or be removed that had the datum tagged to it andthat is whenedit refs will shone. This is a double edged sword. Edge 1 is setting datums first and modeling to those or edge 2, add them later and hope you assumptions were close to correct. But also, in many of these scenarios,Edit definition.works just as well IMHO.

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ptc-19327451-Visitor
1-Visitor
June 20, 2014
I've gotten burned badly in the past by modelling using starting GD&T A-B-C datum references for inspection. I always place my inspection GD&T datum preferences as far down the model tree as I can now.

Christopher F. Gosnell

FPD Company
124 Hidden Valley Road
McMurray, PA 15317
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ptc-19327451-Visitor
1-Visitor
June 20, 2014
If CREO3 still shows ghosts of missing refs during reroute that is almost enough of a reason to jump over upgrading to CREO2 right to CREO3. Thanks for the info.

Christopher F. Gosnell

FPD Company
124 Hidden Valley Road
McMurray, PA 15317
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