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jnelson14-Alexandrite
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March 1, 2010
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Sketcher Intent Manager

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During a recent PTC/USER Technical Committee meeting we had a discussion about the Sketcher Intent Manager.

This discussion made me curious as to if there are still users that find the need to turn off the Intent Manager, which is why I am writing.

If there is anyone that still turns off the Sketcher Intent Manager, can you please respond to the questions below?

1. What are the circumstances that causes you to turn off the Intent Manager?

2. If you are importing data, is this done as a "normal" sketch with the intent to drive geometry with that sketch, or as a cosmetic sketch where you are probably not looking to drive geometry?

Please note that the reason of "Because it is annoying", is NOT specific enough.

In order to present the need for this, I need specific use cases (models and/or written) in which users turn off intent manager and still want to do something non-cosmetic with the resulting sketch.

Thanks....

Joel Nelson

PTC/USER Sheetmetal TC Chair


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rrich1-Visitor
1-Visitor
March 3, 2010
While we are putting together a wish list how about these.



Better rectangle tool. Either 3 point rectangle or the ability to rotate
the rectangle after creating it.



Ability to pattern a selection set of entities or entity in sketcher



Ron Rich

DIRECTOR of MECHANICAL SYSTEMS



smartshape

www.smartshapedesign.com
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kwsauter1-Visitor
1-Visitor
March 3, 2010
How about the ability to rotate an entire sketch 90° and have all the horizontal and vertical constraints change accordingly? Or rotate the sketch 45° and have the constraints change to perpendicular and parallel instead of horizontal and vertical? Or how about piling constraint upon constraint, as long as they don't conflict, and allowing me to decide which constraint governs the sketch? And how about showing me ALL of the constraints instead of just the constraints Proe thinks I want to deal with? There are actually two sets of constraints going on in a Proe sketch. There are those constraints we apply in sketching, and then there are the constraints Proe assumes and won't let us change. I want to change ALL of the constraints, not just the ones Proe thinks I want to change. Proe is frequently WRONG about which constraints I want to change.


Ken Sauter
DRS Reconnaissance Surveillance and Target Acquisition
Infrared Technologies Division
PO Box 740188
Dallas, TX 75374
214-860-6826
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dgschaefer21-Topaz II
21-Topaz II
March 3, 2010
Chris,

Regarding your #3, every entity in sketcher is fully constrained when
you create it. Pro|E throws dims and constraints on it to do so. What
might be nice is a color break for user added constraints/dims vs Pro|E
assumptions. It's there, sorta, in the gray vs. yellow, but some
constraints come in yellow rather than gray. It'd be great if
everything created by Pro|E was gray and everything created by the user
or converted into strong by the user was yellow.

I'd love an option to automatically turn all dims and constraints to
strong when exiting sketcher. Sometimes I like the constraints that
Pro|E adds, but going through one by one and 'strengthening' them is
tedious. Exiting sketcher says I like the way it is, make it strong.

Doug Schaefer
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cfly1-Visitor
1-Visitor
March 3, 2010
Amen. So many times when I add a constraint and Pro tells me it conflicts
with existing constraints, the one I want to get rid of is not in the list,
and I have to cancel, delete the constraint I don't want, then recreate the
new constraint.



Then, there are the times when it simply will not allow me to change a given
dimension, but I can drag the geometry to bring that dimension up or down to
near what I want, then change the value to the exact dimension I want.



If it works one way, it should work the other, rather than forcing me to use
two operations to get what I want.


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ptc-9365291-Visitor
1-Visitor
March 3, 2010
One of the things I remember from training long ago was that you first sketch out of scale and orientation until you get the geometry shape you want then apply constrains. The seems to be more important now than with older version of Pro. This technique will allow you to set all of your own constraints without proe setting any. If Pro does set one, then RMB to disable it. If you keep your sketches simple you want have an issue with IM.

Just my .02
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kwsauter1-Visitor
1-Visitor
March 3, 2010
At least we don't have to deal with the old sketcher. I'd be in an insane asylum by now if that were the case.


Ken Sauter
DRS Reconnaissance Surveillance and Target Acquisition
Infrared Technologies Division
PO Box 740188
Dallas, TX 75374
214-860-6826
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ptc-1699471-Visitor
1-Visitor
March 3, 2010
Carol's opening point is especially true in sheetmetal mode, and is very frustrating (Btw, I'm a huge advocate of IM, yet feel that the option to turn it off should always be available because there are times, albiet it rarely, when IM cannot handle a sketch for whatever reason).

Stefan
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mpeterson1-Visitor
1-Visitor
March 3, 2010
WF5 has improved the rectangle tool to allow drawing rectangles rotatated and also parallelagrams. Nice improvement.

On the other hand I do not like the new drawing module where you must be in a particular tab like Annoate, Layout, Table, etc to be able modify entities. Thus you can not just click on a view or text or table or what ever and modify anything unless you are in that Tab.

Mark A. Peterson
Sr Design Engineer
Igloo Products Corp
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cfly1-Visitor
1-Visitor
March 3, 2010
Not surprising; in my experience, the drawing module has become more
cumbersome with each software release. I am happy to no longer be using this
module on a daily basis since WF 1, when they took away WYSIWYG on line
fonts and broke the grid snap functionality.


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ptc-1412741-Visitor
1-Visitor
March 3, 2010
This feature is the new ribbons, which came from the new MS Office
suite. Expect to see this in the other modules in the future.



Actually you can select an object that is not related to your current
tab. Press the ALT key and then select the object.



I am still on WF4 but looking forward to upgrading.



Doug Pogatetz

Mechanical Design Engineer

Northrop Grumman Corporation


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