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jnelson14-Alexandrite
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March 1, 2010
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Sketcher Intent Manager

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During a recent PTC/USER Technical Committee meeting we had a discussion about the Sketcher Intent Manager.

This discussion made me curious as to if there are still users that find the need to turn off the Intent Manager, which is why I am writing.

If there is anyone that still turns off the Sketcher Intent Manager, can you please respond to the questions below?

1. What are the circumstances that causes you to turn off the Intent Manager?

2. If you are importing data, is this done as a "normal" sketch with the intent to drive geometry with that sketch, or as a cosmetic sketch where you are probably not looking to drive geometry?

Please note that the reason of "Because it is annoying", is NOT specific enough.

In order to present the need for this, I need specific use cases (models and/or written) in which users turn off intent manager and still want to do something non-cosmetic with the resulting sketch.

Thanks....

Joel Nelson

PTC/USER Sheetmetal TC Chair


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kwsauter1-Visitor
1-Visitor
March 2, 2010
One thing to remember with IM, and probably with the old sketcher, is if
you zoom in real close to something, some of the constraints just go
away and you can do what you want. There is something about the screen
size of the sketch that makes constraints happen or not happen.


Ken Sauter
DRS Reconnaissance Surveillance and Target Acquisition
Infrared Technologies Division
PO Box 740188
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ashu_proe1-Visitor
1-Visitor
March 2, 2010
I think Sketcher Intent Manager is still available in Wildfire 5.0(Some one pointed out that its no longer available in WF 5.0).

The config option 'sketcher_intent_manager' has been made a hidden option. May be moving forward they have plans to remove it completely.

~Ashu


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wfalco16-Pearl
16-Pearl
March 2, 2010

This is absolutely correct.



On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 2:26 PM, Sauter, Kenneth W (SA-1) wrote:

One thing to remember with IM, and probably with the old sketcher, is
if you zoom in real close to something, some of the constraints just go
away and you can do what you want. There is something about the screen
size of the sketch that makes constraints happen or not happen.

Ken Sauter
DRS Reconnaissance Surveillance and Target Acquisition
Infrared Technologies Division
PO Box 740188
Dallas, TX 75374
214-860-6826
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<">mailto:->
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TimothyField13-Aquamarine
13-Aquamarine
March 2, 2010
You can create the same effect by changing the sketcher accuracy. Sketch; Options; change the accuracy to a lower value. Maximum is 1.000. It is a relative scale

Timothy
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pauldelong1-Visitor
1-Visitor
March 2, 2010
Yep, ProE sees what you see.. if a line looks close to horizontal, then ProE will assume so… of course, what it looks like is dependent on your zoom factor



Paul


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wfalco16-Pearl
16-Pearl
March 2, 2010

I'm sure you can. But I don't think it is the same.

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wfalco16-Pearl
16-Pearl
March 2, 2010

I refer to it as pulling off pro/e glasses.

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JonathanHodgson13-Aquamarine
13-Aquamarine
March 3, 2010
Again, not really an answer to Joel's question, but:

I'm a relative Pro/E newbie(!), having started about 7 or 8 years ago
with 2000i^2. I've never used Old Sketcher (although a handful of times
I've had to give up on a sketch with IM and start it again), and our
config doesn't ever seem to drop us into it.

I think Doug makes a good point about making your initial sketch
exaggerated - that's definitely key, particularly with small angles and
similar - but I was also taught the tab & right-button disable/lock
constraints techniques very early, and with these approaches IM works
just fine.

If I ever did find myself with IM disabled, my response would probably
be "what the %^&* do I do now?" - perhaps a bit like our newer team
members (who've learnt on WF) when faced with the pre-WF menus or sketch
plane definition!

Jonathan

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ptc-20325851-Visitor
1-Visitor
March 3, 2010
I've been reading most of the replies to this thread and thought I'd chime in...

I started on Pro/E with version 19 as a PTC AE. When IM came out, in version 20, I HATED it. I called many of PTC's developers by names that don't belong in a Tarantino movie.

But, since I was young and naive, I sat back after maybe 2 days and literally thought: who am I to think I know better than guys who develop Pro/E....I had a few months on Pro/E at the time.

So I gave IM a try and after another 2 days, I was convinced...the ability to change an assumed constrain, alone, was more than enough to convince me. At the time, we had a long-time customer who started on V20 and also hated IM and turned it off. I made a bet with them that after 2 days they wouldn't look back and won.

After teaching a few handfuls of training classes, especially during the transition, I've established 2 rules that, till now, have worked for me:

KISS (I never used complex sections before and still don't unless absolutely needed). IMO a complex sketch is easier to handle with IM than without.

Then I follow a sequence: first the SHAPE (no scale, no relative size, just shape); then CONSTRAINTS (NO changing dimensions); and finally DIMENSIONS and changing to correct value. On occasion, I will change the first dimension using the "scale" functionality.

I'm truly curious to see sketches that people say they cannot handle with IM, so please e-mail me some if you can. I just like to learn.

HIH

Rui



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ptc-19327451-Visitor
1-Visitor
March 3, 2010
Although no constraints manager is perfect, there are three things I
would like to see added to IM that are missing now:



1) Change a dim from driving to driven(reference) and back again
Right now the change is one way only.



2) Interrogate the sketch for all of the constraints, either by
sketch, or by element
No interrogation is allowed now, unless there is a conflict, and
then some of the constraints are not listed.



3) Show me (change the color) of elements of the sketch that are
fully constrained.
Showing the open ends of a sketch is helpful.



As of WF4, these things are not available, AFAIK.





Christopher Gosnell

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