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WF5 Detailing UI

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April 5, 2010
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We adopted WF5 last week and I have had nothing but complaints from the user community regarding the increased amount of clicks to complete tasks. They have also found multiple problems using the show annotations tool. Does anyoneone have similar experiences or found ways to reduce the number of clicks in WF5 detailing.

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jasonb13

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In Reply to Rui Vaz:

Rui,
Thank you for pointing out that you can edit dimension values while not in the annotate tab.I was not aware of this possibility...are there any other things that you know of that can be done when "out of tab"?
Jason
To Jason

you may be exaggerating on purpose, but to say you can't do "anything" with something until the correct tab is selected is inaccurate. In the Layout tab, you can reposition dimensions, edit a value, etc. In the Annotate tab, you can select views and reposition those. Maybe I'm privileged that normally I place (most) views, then dimension and hardly ever need to go back and forth. I confess that I don't do many 2D's, and will iterate that I can understand all your (and others') points. Was just pointing out some things that maybe not everyone knew about.

As for dimension names, renaming was an example, but someone (sorry don't remember who) mentioned them as if he/she didn't know where those numbers came from.

Rui

On 06.04.

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tgiauque

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Chris - you can use the right click as you say, but the appropriate menu options only appear when you're...you guessed it, in the right tab. If you're in "annotate," the "layout" options don't appear, etc.

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jflores-3

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I don't think it's so much problem with the fluent user ribbon approach
as maybe it is with a half bake implementation of its use. When I first
started to use MS Office 2007 my first thought "was what the" why did
they do that. Now I actually like it.

I've only spent a couple of hours playing with WF5 detailing so it may
just be me missing a thing or two but, I did not get a mini tool bar
when selecting something. I would think that if I select a dimension
regardless of what tab is selected that a mini properties tool bar
should pop up ( like in MS Office) and disappear when the dimension is
deselected.

Also did not see a way to add any commonly used commands to a quick
access tool bay. In MS Office I can add any command where it is already
in the ribbon or not to the quick access tool bar so that they are
always available. In pro/E I could not. The home tab is supposed to
have the most used commands, depending on the user it could be argued as
to what are the most used commands.

Need to spend more time on it to see if there are any contextual tool
bars and see if there are any gallery previews when hovering the mouse
over a selection. It is my understanding the reason for the ribbon is
to give the user a more visual account of where the tool is that they
are looking for rather than searching for them through menus. It was
driven by user complaints to Microsoft who had not changed the tool bars
since 1992.

Does anyone know if there is a keyboard shortcut to switch tabs?

Thank you, Jim Flores

Mech. designer/CAD admin.

Clinical Care Systems

Philips Healthcare

2271 Cosmos Court

Carlsbad, CA. 92011

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jasonb13

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In Reply to Jim Flores:

Need to spend more time on it to see if there are any contextual tool
bars and see if there are any gallery previews when hovering the mouse
over a selection.

Does anyone know if there is a keyboard shortcut to switch tabs?

Jim,

There is no pop-up toolbar when hovering, you can however RMB after selecting something to get a contextual menu.

I created mapkeys to switch tabs and minimize / maximize the ribbon to gain screen space. I'm not sure how much they are getting used yet.

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kwsauter

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I can understand the complaints about Office 7. After fighting it for a
couple of years, I think the ribbon interface is ultimately more
productive and puts more stuff at your fingertips, but why eliminate
existing functionality to put it there? At least let me use the same
mouse clicks and keyboard shortcuts to do what I've always done. Office
7 was a productiviity killer because of that fact. It sounds like WF 5
has the same issue.

Ken Sauter
DRS Reconnaissance Surveillance and Target Acquisition
Infrared Technologies Division
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Dallas, TX 75374
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ptc-2032585

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Not off-hand, but still only "played" a few times.

RMB'ing is always a good place to start :)

On 06.04.

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ptc-1932745

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According to the WF 5.0 Quick Reference Card, while in the Ribbon
Interface you can right-mouse click to open a Customize Dialog, but I
haven't tried this yet.

As I have said before though, if you highlight an item on-screen
(especially in drawing mode) and then right-click, a menu of options
comes up, no matter what 'mode' the ribbon is in.

Christopher Gosnell

TRIGON INC.
FPD Company
124 Hidden Valley Road
McMurray, PA 15317
PH: 724.941.5540
FX: 724.941.8322
www.fpdinc.com

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jflores-3

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Thanks Chris,

I'll give the customize dialog a shot.

What version of WF5 are you running? I only had the first version
available to install (meant to go online today and order a newer one).
I when I RMB I get a very limited menu of about 4 items for a driven
dimension and 5 items for a driving dimension where the option to change
its value is added. I don't recall what all the options were but other
than "value" and "delete" they did not seem very useful. When the
correct tap is selected the RMB gives me 10 or 12 very useful options.
Just wondering if it is a problem with this particular version I am
running.

Thank you, Jim Flores

Mech. designer/CAD admin.

Clinical Care Systems

Philips Healthcare

2271 Cosmos Court

Carlsbad, CA. 92011

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mpeterson

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Except you can only click or select items that are associated with the tab or mode you are in so thus no chance to right click afterward. You can Alt Select but that seems limited to just moving views or notes. If I am in the Layout mode and Alt Select a note, right clicking doesn't flyout with the all annotation options like properties so you can edit the note.

For that matter if the smart selector knows what I selected than why doesn't it switch me to the proper mode?

Mark a. Peterson
Sr Design Engineer
Igloo Products Corp
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ptc-1932745

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I am using WF5 M020 running on a Dell P690, 2Gb RAM, Quadro 4500
Graphics, Win XP Pro.

Whether a dimension is driven or driving, when I right-click on it I get
11 options in the popup menu including properties. (which I personally
think should be the first pick, not the last pick. Erase or delete
should be the last pick)

Wow, I never noticed this before (I just started testing WF 5 Late last
week), but after showing or annotating a dimension on a drawing, the
dimension won't highlight unless the 'Annotate' tab is active.

BUT, while the Annotate tab is active I can still highlight the drawing
view and edit view parameters...

What happened to Object-Action?...

Christopher Gosnell

TRIGON INC.
FPD Company
124 Hidden Valley Road
McMurray, PA 15317
PH: 724.941.5540
FX: 724.941.8322
www.fpdinc.com

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