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wbell8-Gravel
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October 4, 2018
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Maximize solve block with initial variables

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I am trying to solve a nonlinear equation for the maximum value.  The equation is from Bowles, Foundation Analysis & Design, 5th Edition, Chapter 11-7, page 609, Eq. (11-10). 

I am interested in the maximum value of Kp for a given guess value assigned to two variables, rho and psi.  I have tried defining the function before executing the Maximize function and have not had any success finding the maximum value of Kp.  The Mathcad file is attached and I would appreciate any comments regarding format/syntax errors.

Please note that all the soil parameters are fixed and the maximum value for the function is the desired result.

 

Wayne Bell, PE

Best answer by terryhendicott

Hi,

 

This is the active pressure file.  They are Mathcad 15 not Prime.

 

They use Bowles and the reference used by Bowles.

 

Cheers

Terry

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LucMeekes23-Emerald IV
23-Emerald IV
October 4, 2018

This is what the function results are over a broad range of rho and psi:

LM_20181004_Maximize.png

But when you go a little further you can find this:

LM_20181004_Maximize1.png

Which means I've found a 'maximum' near rho=66 degrees, and the value of psi doesn't (seem to) matter. The maximum is about 1.3E15. Very (too) big. Your function diverges and I guess using Maximize will not work, because it is bound to find this, and possibly other points where the function wil explode, probably due to division by zero...

 

Success!
Luc

 

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LucMeekes23-Emerald IV
23-Emerald IV
October 4, 2018

Looked up the equation in the book. I assume you're referring to equation (11-10).

Created a surface plot that shows there must be a (local) maximum for rho and psi both < 60 degrees.

LM_20181004_Maximize2.png

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Werner_E25-Diamond I
25-Diamond I
October 4, 2018

Are you looking for something like shown below?

Note that you don't have to use a solve block (Given) as you don't have any additional constraints but of course you can use it - it will make no difference here.

When using maximize you also have to add which variable(s) Mathcad is supposed to play with and the result are rho and psi values.

B.png

 

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wbell8-GravelAuthor
8-Gravel
October 4, 2018

Thank you for the response.  I fixed some syntax errors and mismatched parenthesis and using the initial values for Rho and Beta I am getting reasonable values, but still to high (Kp=2.292 vs alternate solution value = 1.65).  I have copied out some discussion regarding the solution procedure from the text.  The maximum value of the equation depends on the variables Rho and Psi and I thought the Maximize function would be able to solve the equation.  I have reattached the sheet that is working when I define the variables explicitly, but I would appreciate any comments on setting up a Solve Block that uses the Maximize function correctly.

 

Excerpt from text:

 

"In solving Eqs. (11-10) through (11-13), it is necessary to solve for the maximum value
of Kp or Ka. The maximizing of these equations depends on the two variables Rho and Psi.
This requires a search routine in computer program B-23. The values of the two dependent
variables are initialized to approximately
Rho = 0.5(Alpha + Beta)
Psi = 0.2(Alpha + Beta)
With these initial values, the search routine is used to revise the values until convergence is
obtained. In most cases values from which Kp is computed are found after not more than 20
iterations. A computer program should shut off after 46 to 50 iterations. In a few cases the
program may not find a solution using the above initial values because of the programming
search routine. For these cases, one must change the initial values and retry as necessary to
obtain the solution. Table 11-5 gives selected values of Kp for cohesionless soils. Note that
these equations correctly give Kp increasing with Beta. Values of Beta = Delta = 0 are not shown,
as they are identical to the Coulomb or Rankine solution."

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LucMeekes23-Emerald IV
23-Emerald IV
October 4, 2018

I've calculated the derivative of your formula and it NEVER gets to zero for any set of values of rho and psi  between 0 and 60 degrees. When you plot your formula on a surface for low angles you can see that it drops off along the psi axis, but only rises with rising rho along the rho axis. That's why Maximize will run towards the 66 degrees maximum for rho (while psi can be 0).

 

From the description of the book, and looking at the formula in the book compared to what you've entered in Mathcad, I think you need more.

You need to enter both polarities of the formula and work from there.

You can create the Ka and Kp formula easily from your formula for Kp_C(rho,psi,p) by adding, say p, as an extra parameter and inserting/replacing a multiplication with this p everywhere a +/- is and a multiplication with -p (minus p) everywhere there is a -/+. Then Kp(rho,psi):=Kp_C(rho, psi,1) and Ka(rho,psi):= Kp_C(rho,psi,-1).

I'd suggest you then thoroughly investigate the surface plots of Kp and Ka, to find which (if one) of the two solves your problem satisfactorily. Then you might be able to apply Maximize successfully.

 

Success!
Luc

 

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terryhendicott21-Topaz II
21-Topaz II
October 5, 2018

Hi,

 

Try this,  There are two files so I will post twice.  One file is for passive, other is for active.

 

Regards 

Terry

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    wbell8-GravelAuthor
    8-Gravel
    October 5, 2018

    Hello Terry,

     

    I entered the soil parameters from the Caltrans Trenching & Shoring Manual Example 6-2, Cantilivered Soldier Pile Wall into the worksheet you provided and the value of Kph = 1.26 compares well with the calculated value of 1.20 from the example.  The only irregularity is that the example shows the soil at the base of the wall sloping at 1:1.6 (32 deg).  This value must be entered as beta = -32 in the worksheet for the soil slope at the top of the wall which is acceptable, considering the geometry of a soldier pile pushing into the supporting soil.

     

    Wayne

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    terryhendicott21-Topaz IIAnswer
    21-Topaz II
    October 5, 2018

    Hi,

     

    This is the active pressure file.  They are Mathcad 15 not Prime.

     

    They use Bowles and the reference used by Bowles.

     

    Cheers

    Terry

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      wbell8-GravelAuthor
      8-Gravel
      October 5, 2018

      Hello Terry,

       

      Wow!  Exactly what I was looking for.  I did find the paper by Chen & Rosenfard and will review your worksheet.  The way you structured the solution by defining functions for the blocks of trigonometric functions makes it easier to evaluate the whole equation.

      I am doing some engineering work for contractors here in Charlotte, NC and the municipalities require PE sealed shoring calculations, which typically reference DOT specifications.  Several DOT agencies use the Caltrans Trenching and Shoring Manual and specifically, Chapter 6 of the same for designing unrestrained shoring systems.  The Manual uses the method of nonplane-failure surfaces (Caquot and Kerisel) referenced by Bowles, but this requires interpolation from published curves and data tables.  I am trying to keep to a "closed form" solution to make it easier for reviewers to check the calculations.

      Again, thank you for sharing your work - very impressive.

       

      Wayne Bell, PE

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