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Jun 30, 2023 12:29 PM UTC
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Solving Current Equations using KVL, PTC 5.0

I am trying to find the efficiency of a 3 loop system. In order to find that, I need current equations of all the loops from which I can extract power of the circuit and eventually efficiency of the system. The solution I get is way too lengthy, I tried even manually to simplify them but had no luck.
Please help!

 

 

ttokoro
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21-Topaz I
Jul 4, 2023 6:03 AM UTC

Prime 9 sheet attached.

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Werner_E
Werner_E25-Diamond I
25-Diamond I
Jun 30, 2023 3:43 PM UTC

You can always assign the result, which Prime refuses to display as of its size, to a function in all unknowns and use this function for further calculations:

Werner_E_0-1688139626552.png

In case you really need to see the huge result, you may try symbolic modifiers like "assume, ALL>0" or "simplify" or "simplify,max". Sometimes it helps.

 

If you disable the definition of s:=1j*omega you get a result (in s) displayed and can later use "substitute,s=1j*omega" when you display the three results singly with "rectangular".

Werner_E_0-1688146720483.png

 

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    MW_1072788610-MarbleAuthor
    10-Marble
    Jul 1, 2023 3:28 AM UTC

    Thank you Werner for looking into it. But the fact that, I still cant the simplified solution of the currents, even when I used the suggested method by you.
    In case, I dont get simplified results, then can I get the real and imaginary parts from the current?
    Such as Current 1= Real+imag
    from this I think, I might get the simplified solution.
    I have attached the 3 pics, and that what i am looking to get but my equations are way too complex as they have a phase difference between the two sources.

    2.png

    3.png

    1.png

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    Werner_E
    Werner_E25-Diamond I
    25-Diamond I
    Jul 1, 2023 11:18 AM UTC

    I am not really sure what exactly you are looking for and why you are in need for a pure symbolic solution, I guess the pics you show don't show your exact calculations.

    So either your problem actually IS so complex that the solutions can't be simplified any more or Prime is not the right tool. Its a fact the the symbolic engine in Mathcad & Prime was changed a couple of times and every change was a step backwards. In Mathcad 11 a version of Maple was doing its job quite well, in Mathcad 14&15 a software named muPad replaced Maple and now PTC starting with Prime 6 has replaced it for an Axiom fork named FriCAS. Each change also introduced new errors and bugs and limitations.

    Maybe you have more luck using a software like Maple or Mathematica.

     

    Getting the desired results with the symbolic in Prime often needs a lot of playing around with combinations of modifiers like "assume,U=real,R.L>0,..." or "simplify,may" or "factor" or using substitutions, or ....

    Sometimes you have luck and sometimes you don't.

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      LucMeekes23-Emerald V
      23-Emerald V
      Jul 2, 2023 11:46 AM UTC

      Or, like this:

      LucMeekes_0-1688298282960.png

      Success!
      Luc

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        MW_1072788610-MarbleAuthor
        10-Marble
        Jul 4, 2023 7:04 AM UTC

        Thanks. Can you please upload your mathcad file.

        Best,
        Waqas

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        LucMeekes23-Emerald V
        23-Emerald V
        Jul 4, 2023 3:09 PM UTC

        I didn't save it. The work was done in Mathcad 11. It will not work as shown in Prime. But it might help giving you suggestions of what you could try in Prime.

         

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        Luc

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