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ptc-1153141-Visitor
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August 15, 2013
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Alphabetical listing upper case then lower case

  • August 15, 2013
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We are getting CREO 2 this fall and I'm curious to know before we get it ifPTC hasgotten past the need to list folder/file names in an upper case first then lower case issue? I am referring to the "Open" dialogbox and the in app browser and anywhere else they use this style.


I've been working with Pro/E for 21 years and still have not gotten use to this style of listings.


Is there a option in the config that I've been missing all these years?


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TerryMcFall1-Visitor
1-Visitor
August 15, 2013
Looks to be the same... here's the File > Open dialog:

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-Ter
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ptc-1153141-VisitorAuthor
1-Visitor
August 15, 2013

Well that's just fine...


Thanks Ter but now I have to ask "WHY?".


Does anyone know the reasoning behind listing upper case first then lower case?

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Anonymous
August 15, 2013

It's legacy behavior from the days of UNIX, where characters are in ASCII order.
It's still inexcusable.
Pro/E, Wildfire, Creo has been running under Windows for well over 15 years.


Gerry Champoux
Williams International
Walled Lake, MI



In Reply to Ronald Huber:



Well that's just fine...


Thanks Ter but now I have to ask "WHY?".


Does anyone know the reasoning behind listing upper case first then lower case?


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BenLoosli23-Emerald III
23-Emerald III
August 15, 2013
Characters are still represented by ASCII code, even in Windows, which is why it continues.
Deep down, all computers know is numbers.
Uppercase ASCII codes for A to Z are 65 to 90 while a to z are 97 to 122.
See
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RonThellen1-Visitor
1-Visitor
August 15, 2013
I'm not buying it (the ASCII logic)! I'm looking at Windows Explorer right now and in the current folder I'm viewing I see folders and files nicely sorted alphabetically, ignoring the case of the letters. If I go to Word or Excel and select File > Open, the files are sorted alphabetically as expected, again, ignoring the case of the letters. Any other application I run sorts files as expected. PTC should be able to do the same. In fact, their sorting behavior is the exception. I'm not aware of any other application that sorts that way and I find it quite annoying.

Ron
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ptc-1153141-VisitorAuthor
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August 15, 2013

I agree with Ron Thellen.


If it is purely because of ASCII then there would have to be something in the codingof Windows to counteract this and set to ignore(?) letter case.


Yes? No?




In Reply to Ron Thellen:


I'm not buying it (the ASCII logic)!
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JonathanHodgson13-Aquamarine
13-Aquamarine
August 16, 2013
Windows now has some quite clever (or annoying, depending) sorting algorithms - for example, in Win 7 it now tries to recognise numbers and order them appropriately rather than by pure ASCII sequence.

Thus, it will now list
2
6
10
33

instead of
10
2
33
6

I think the Pro/E difference has to do with whether PTC write their own File->Open dialogue box, or call a built-in Windows one.

Jonathan
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dgallup1-Visitor
1-Visitor
August 16, 2013

I have always found MS office apps to be completely inconsistent when sorting lists. Why should PTC be any different? What would they be consistent with, there is no "standard" behavior that I am aware of.

In Reply to Jonathan Hodgson:


Windows now has some quite clever (or annoying, depending) sorting algorithms - for example, in Win 7 it now tries to recognise numbers and order them appropriately rather than by pure ASCII sequence.

Thus, it will now list
2
6
10
33

instead of
10
2
33
6

I think the Pro/E difference has to do with whether PTC write their own File->Open dialogue box, or call a built-in Windows one.

Jonathan
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