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DanielScheidegg12-Amethyst
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February 12, 2021
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Windchill 12.0.1.0 without WindchillDS

  • February 12, 2021
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Hi all

Has anyone already installed Windchill 12.0.1.0 with MS ActiveDirectory only, i.e. without WindchillDS, and then upgraded from 11.1?
Is there any experience you can share?

Thanks

Best Regards

Daniel

    Best answer by DanielScheidegg

    Hi all.

    PTC has published two new articles on the topic.

    https://www.ptc.com/en/support/article/CS337554 - Knowledge HUB - WindchillDS Removal & Migration to other Directory Servers

    https://www.ptc.com/en/support/article/CS335696 -  FAQs: Windchill Directory Server (WindchillDS) removal starting Windchill 12.0.1.0

     

    @MarkLobo Thank you for taking this issue seriously at PTC. I am sure that these articles will bring us further.

    Best Regards

    Daniel

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    AndyHermanson14-Alexandrite
    14-Alexandrite
    February 12, 2021

    We are in the process of trying this. No luck yet. 

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      DanielScheidegg12-AmethystAuthor
      12-Amethyst
      February 12, 2021

      Same here..

      let‘s keep in touch 😉

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      MikeLockwood22-Sapphire I
      22-Sapphire I
      February 12, 2021

      I was able to update a test 12.0.0.2 system to 12.0.1.0 no problem.

      Was not able to install 12.0.1.0 directly.

       

      I created multiple tech support cases with a screen capture of the exact part of the Solutions installer where one needs to select an existing LDAP install - no way evident how to select an existing Windchill DS.  Nothing in the install documentation and tech support so far has not been able to advise what to do.

       

      We were thinking about going to 12.0.1.0 but have backed off and will now upgrade (from 11.0) to 12.0.0.3 and wait for 12.0.1.0 to get more mature.

       

      Pretty MAJOR change and very little from PTC on this.

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        AndyHermanson14-Alexandrite
        14-Alexandrite
        February 15, 2021

        So to clarify, you can go from 11.0 to 12.0.0.x to 12.0.1.x, but you cant go straight from 11.0 to 12.0.1.x?

         

        Thanks, 

        Andy

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        MikeLockwood22-Sapphire I
        22-Sapphire I
        February 15, 2021

        Did multiple test upgrades from 11 to 12.0.0.x, but haven't yet tried going from 11 to 12.0.1.x.

         

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        TomU23-Emerald IV
        23-Emerald IV
        February 15, 2021

        Not exactly the same scenario, but I'm running into all kinds of issues at the moment as well.

         

        1. Clean install of 12.0.0.1 using Windchill DS from 11.2.  Fully configured with AD, etc.
        2. Ran upgrade manager to upgrade from 11.0 M030.  No issues.
        3. Repeated step two several times (fresh vault & DB copy, etc.), no issues
        4. Installed CPS 12.0.0.2
        5. Updated to 12.0.1.0
        6. Attempted to run the upgrade manager again (step 2) from 11.0 M030.  All kinds of problems.  Unable to get the upgrade manager to successfully finish now due to LDAP issues.

        Tech support seems unable to figure out how to get the upgrade manager to work correctly with 12.0.1.0 due to the new LDAP migration piece.  They are currently recommending I roll the whole thing back to 12.0.0.2, run the upgrade manager, and then re-update to 12.0.1.0 again.  Not real excited about that...

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          Arpit-Singh15-Moonstone
          15-Moonstone
          February 26, 2021

          So between the step 5 and 6 can you elaborate on the steps as its unclear at this point.

          Perhaps from the details we may be able to figure out what's going on.. 

           

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          MikeLockwood22-Sapphire I
          22-Sapphire I
          February 26, 2021

          I tried again to do a new clean install of 12.0.1.0 on a machine that already has (only) Windchill DS from 11.1, and cannot figure out how in the solutions installer to select the existing Windchill DS.

          I created a new tech support case asking specifically what to do - not yet solved.

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          DanielScheidegg12-AmethystAuthor
          12-Amethyst
          March 1, 2021

          hello all,

          I have given up on installing 12.0.1.0 without WindchillDS....
          The installation Windchill 12.0.1.0 basically works, the users from the ActiveDirectory are also available. But the groups from the AD can not be found, although this is entered in the database in the table wtGroups, after a search of the users....
          The PTC supporter has reported this to R&D, but so far I have no feedback on this.... Let's see how it goes on here.

          I have now followed the following scenario:
          - Install WindchillDS from 11.2.1.0
          - Install Windchill 12.0.1.0 with "other V3 compliant LDAP".
          - Upgrade 11.1 M020 to 12.0.1.0
          So far everything worked without problems.


          I will now try to configure the system with ActiveDirectory and disable the WindchillDS.

           

          It's a real shame that PTC can't support properly here.

          I will get back to you when I have news.

           

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            Arpit-Singh15-Moonstone
            15-Moonstone
            March 1, 2021

            So for me, I did a brand new install and configured WC 12.0.1 with AD.

             

            And I can search the groups and users from AD

            Arpit-Singh_1-1614599375826.png

            Here is my JNDI Adapter mappings:

            Arpit-Singh_0-1614599538662.png

             

             

             

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              AK_91153793-Newcomer
              3-Newcomer
              March 1, 2021

              Arpit: I read in PTC that json files will hold infoengine entries. Please help me with the location of these json files.

              Also I do not see any url (Corporate Ldap) in the screen shot share above by you for.

              We have gone ahead with the work around as below:

               1) Install WDS using 11.2

               2) Install 12.0.0.X

               3) Run upgrade manager and upgrade to 12.0.0.X

               4) Run update tool to update to 12.0.1.X

               

              We need exact steps tp be captured in PTC article.

               

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              DanielScheidegg12-AmethystAuthorAnswer
              12-Amethyst
              March 8, 2021

              Hi all.

              PTC has published two new articles on the topic.

              https://www.ptc.com/en/support/article/CS337554 - Knowledge HUB - WindchillDS Removal & Migration to other Directory Servers

              https://www.ptc.com/en/support/article/CS335696 -  FAQs: Windchill Directory Server (WindchillDS) removal starting Windchill 12.0.1.0

               

              @MarkLobo Thank you for taking this issue seriously at PTC. I am sure that these articles will bring us further.

              Best Regards

              Daniel

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                Henry.Rodarte7-Bedrock
                7-Bedrock
                March 31, 2021

                I came across this entry in Windchill Help

                https://support.ptc.com/help/wnc/r11.2.0.0/en/index.html#page/Windchill_Help_Center/WCInstall_PrepareEnterpriseLDAPActiveDirectory.html

                If you are binding to a Read Only LDAP repository, the user you choose must have the "uid=Administrator" attribute

                the domain account I tried using and failed, does not have this attribute specified, so I will have this added and try again with a different 12.0.1.0 build

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                  ascorupco1-Visitor
                  1-Visitor
                  November 18, 2022

                  why do i need another LDAP if "all users and groups" are in WC database, configuration files in json file and per CS122716 i can authenticate via AD

                  • Primer
                  1. An AD JNDI adapter is read-only
                  2. The JNDI adapter pointing at the AD is superfluous
                  3. The only component on the Application Server that should be pointing at the AD is Apache, and that is for authentication purposes

                  Can i configure windchill 12 with IIS or Apache for authentication with AD only.

                  This part I don't understand. Why after upgrade to 12 and authenticating via IIS to AD i have to have WDS still running. When i tried to stop WDS , windchill 12 will not start.

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                  DanielScheidegg12-AmethystAuthor
                  12-Amethyst
                  November 18, 2022

                  because wcadmin still pointing to WindchillDS.

                  this one was helpful for me: 

                  Article - CS341008 - Since Windchill 12.0.1, how to migrate from WindchillDS to Active Directory? (ptc.com)

                  but be sure, that you have backedup Windchill and DB

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