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14-Alexandrite
December 16, 2017
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CAD software for metal stamping company

  • December 16, 2017
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Hello,
I need some help from all of you.

I'm, with some friends, creating a new company, where we will develop metal stamping tooling (progressive and transfer dies). We are evaluating the needed softwares, and the most proper ones from our job.
Today in the company that we all still work, we use NX and CATIA (I'm a CATIA user). But as far as we have noticed, CATIA and NX are truly expensive softwares, and we need to ponder what to use for our new company.

What we are evaluating.
For simulation we had chosen autoform (that's closed)

For cad we have several possible solutions.
CATIA -> Not much probable, due to price
NX -> Not much probable, due to price
Creo -> interesting choice, but there is some lacks. To create metal stamping layouts, determine the pre cuts, make some quick analysis to metal stamped parts, there is not enough good tools. But for modeling and general surfacing, looks really powerful. Price looks reasonable.
Cimatron -> Very nice to determine the pre cuts, make some quick analysis to metal stamped parts. For 3d modeling there is plenty of libraries for metal stamping tools, But we don't know much about their capabilities to Draw. Price we still don't know.
ZW3D ->Very nice to determine the pre cuts, make some quick analysis to metal stamped parts. Interesting modeling options. Very low market share. Really interesting price
VISI ->Very good to determine the pre cuts, make some quick analysis to metal stamped parts. Interesting morphing capabilities to prevent spring back. Looks good also in surfacing and in general preparation of parts surfaces. It doesn't work with individual parts, it's parametric philosophy it's to limited. Price we still don't know.
SolidWorks -> we have tested it and there is a few things that we have disliked it, so it's not in the equation.
SolidEdge -> we have tested it and there is a few things that we have disliked it, so it's not in the equation.
Autodesk Inventor -> we have tested it and there is a few things that we have disliked it, so it's not in the equation.


Looking to our resarch, there is not a software that can provides a powerful choice for every area that we will need. So we are open to have 2 softwares for diferent needs.

For example:
Visi + Cre
Visi + Cimatron.

What do you know about these softwares, and their capabilities for this type of work?
Do you know any other softwares that can fulfill our needs?

Thanks

2 replies

23-Emerald III
December 18, 2017

If your new company is only developing the stamping tooling, do you have prospective customers to supply the parts and do you have a company contracted to use your tooling to stamp the parts? Are you manufacturing the tooling you design or subcontracting the machine work?

 

One thing to consider is the CAD package of your customers. How much translation do you want to be doing to bring in their models to your system. If you are not on their system of choice, will they provide STEP models for you to import. NX and Creo have builtin translators, for an extra charge, so you can read native files from other CAD systems.

 

CAD_user14-AlexandriteAuthor
14-Alexandrite
December 19, 2017

For now, we will only concentrate to develop the design of the tools. Later we will analyse to expand our business and mill, assemble and make the try outs. ou tools.

 

From what we have been discussing with our potential costumers, we can provide them a STP file.

Yes Creo, NX, Cimatron (Not for all of file types), ZW3D, are able to open files from other softwares.

1-Visitor
December 20, 2017

For what it's worth, I'm a draftsman for one of the (if not "the") largest tool and die companies in the world. Creo is our primary CAD software, but we also use AutoCAD for legacy files.

1-Visitor
January 23, 2019

Visi+ Cre

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