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bcavanaugh1-Visitor
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November 8, 2010
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weird that Pro/e customers ask for explicit modeling and solidworks customers don't?

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It is interesting that PTC says that Pro/e customers are asking for direct modeling features, yet when solidworks polls their customer base, explicit modeling isn't high on the list.(so say solidworks execs.)

 

So, it will be interesting to see the end result a few years from now, as PTC will be spending a good portion of R&D on integration of parametric and explicit while solidworks spends their R&D in other areas...

 

I've recently had an exposure to Siemens synchronous technology....they have this interesting approach where you can work in history mode until you decide that you don't want to anymore...you click a button and you wipe out your history, never to get it back...then, going forward, you can mode in explicit mode.

 

I can see alot of our designers reaching for that "button" way too early, then regretting it later...


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TimMcLellan12-Amethyst
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November 9, 2010

Barry,

Great question. Just remember that many of the original SolidWorks (SW) high level leadership has now been replaced by Dassault. So in my view that is not surprising.

From a technical standpoint SW has spent a fair amount of R&D on the development of SWIFT technology (it is basically an automatic feature reorder-er). SWIFT somewhat reduces the need to focus on your designs feature order. Also, keep in mind that it appears that PTC is not integrating the tools but rather building a CDM (Common Data Model) in which to wrap their products onto.

It will be great for the industry if PTC can get it right. From what I understand Siemens really tried to integrate the technology on top of NX, and as you mentioned it has some flaws. However, it is still spoken of highly from most industry analysts. PTC has a great opportunity here with this approach. Execution is the key. We'll have to wait an see.

One more thing... Will Creo elements/Pro and Creo elements/Direct customers get licenses of both when Creo is released? The excitment PTC is generating from this announcment will quickly wain if the expetations PTC is setting is not met.

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colmacpro1-Visitor
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November 9, 2010

Your question about licensing is a good one and is at the top of my list. All of the good news was probably presented at the creo introduction. The bad news will probably be spoon fed in small palatable chunks over the next 6-8 months (pricing, license restructuring, and required migration activities). If the latter was good news, wouldn’t PTC have already presented it?

Joe

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TimMcLellan12-Amethyst
12-Amethyst
November 9, 2010

I expect the discussion about Creo to wain a bit over the next few months. I am hoping that PTC has learned it lession about releases, new modules and customers perception of what constitutes a new module.

They will need another spark in the spring or risk very, very slow adoption or worse loss of customers through 2011 and possibly 2012.

Something that would really capture existing customers attention and provide PTC a fresh new appearance (and dare I say reputation) in the industry would be for them to license Creo 1.0 to include the key functioning sets for any Large or SMB company. This would include 2D, Direct & Pro in the base license - lets call it Creo Foundation. It is one thing to talk about Creo as a solution set it's another to deliver it in an package that screams ROI. Existing Pro or Direct customers will say, "yea that is nice, cool, great" but that does not constitute adoption/purchase or a real change in the industry if Pro & Direct are separated.

Time will tell.

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