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April 5, 2010
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WF5 Detailing UI

  • April 5, 2010
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We adopted WF5 last week and I have had nothing but complaints from the user community regarding the increased amount of clicks to complete tasks. They have also found multiple problems using the show annotations tool. Does anyoneone have similar experiences or found ways to reduce the number of clicks in WF5 detailing.

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    ptc-20325851-Visitor
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    April 8, 2010
    Hi Raphael

    Seeing as you hopped in, we're all going to take advantage of the channel you opened up :)

    I asked a while back and it wasn't possible then, but maybe now it is: can you place the dashboard at the bottom yet?

    Thanks

    Rui



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    jellis1-Visitor
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    April 9, 2010

    Regarding using the keyboard shortcuts. I'm finding that when I click the ALT key I see the letter shortcuts. Then click L for Annotation to engage that tab. Why is another click required? I'm finding you have to either click the ALT button again or left click in the graphics screen before thefilter engages to select the desired object.What's the reasoning behind needing another click?

    Past releases have taught us to use the Selection Filter. I've noticed the Filter changes options with each Tab selected. Would the User gain from having a small graphic to the left of the Filter selector that would display the Active Tab? With the Filter on the right side of the screen and the Tabs on the Left this might be a useful visual aid for the Filter selector?

    I've also noticed that after Saving and Reopening a .drw file the default tab is Layout. Are there any thoughts here about returning to the last active tab when the drw file is opened? I had thought that might be useful only because we use drw templates. If we could save the Templates to the Annotation tab, or other tab, then when the Template is applied a user could start with Dimension Clean Up. My new drw workflow is Create with Template, Clean Up Dimensions, Orient the Views. Whenreopening an existing drw the ribbon tab is forcing the userto check for the appropriate Tab beforeany work can be started.

    Kind Regards, Jim

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    jflores-31-Visitor
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    April 9, 2010
    Jim,

    Can you elaborate a bit more to let us know exactly what your are trying
    to do. I've only played with ribbon twice now, not using it in a real
    work flow, maybe some else can chime in if I am off base. It sounds
    like you are trying to engage the filter to help make a selection in the
    middle of your commands. Try making your selection before or after,



    Selection before:

    * Press and hold ALT while selecting the annotation.

    * When ALT is released from the previous command, it will need to
    be clicked in order to bring up the shortcut keys.

    * Click the S key to activate the annotations tab.

    * Click whatever shortcut key(s) are required for the editing you
    want to apply. ( I believe whatever filter is required should be active
    at this time or a dialog box will be opened requiring your input prior
    to making a selection).



    Selection after:

    * Click the ALT key to bring up the shortcut keys

    * Click the S key to activate the annotations tab

    * Click whatever shortcut key(s) are required for the editing you
    want to apply

    * When prompted make your selection.



    I find that if I want to edit something I prefer to select it first
    (have not tried to ALT select multiples).





    Thank you, Jim Flores

    Mech. designer/CAD admin.

    Clinical Care Systems

    Philips Healthcare

    2271 Cosmos Court

    Carlsbad, CA. 92011

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    jellis1-Visitor
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    April 9, 2010

    In Reply:

    I am trying to eval and understand the keyboard shortcuts that have been mentioned. With a drw active.....I click the ALT key...not holding it down to select an object....just single click the ALT key. The Ribbon displays small boxed letters...the shortcuts. When these are displayed I then click L for Layout or B for Table or S for Annotate. The tab changes as desired. Now....I have to either click the Alt button again or left click the graphic screen before I can make any selection of an object.

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    jflores-31-Visitor
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    April 9, 2010
    I am in WF2 at the moment so I cannot check, but at the time the tab
    changes as desired; is there not another different set of small boxed
    letters next to each icon command? I think you are still in ALT mode
    and the application is waiting on you for the next command.



    If you do not want to execute a command at this time, another click or
    ALT is required to get out of this waiting for command mode. I think in
    the past one was required to click ALT for each command, now you click
    ALT once and it stays active until ALT is clicked again (or mouse is
    click elsewhere).



    Thank you, Jim Flores

    Mech. designer/CAD admin.

    Clinical Care Systems

    Philips Healthcare

    2271 Cosmos Court

    Carlsbad, CA. 92011

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    jellis1-Visitor
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    April 9, 2010

    Yes....the interface appears to be waiting for another keystroke. Either another ALT click or screen click clears the lettered shortcuts. I was expecting some consistency. If you click ALT then the F key you get the File menu drop down. At this point you can click the X key to Exit or Select any other option in the File menu. There is no extra clicks required. However....in the Ribbon...you have to make another click or click the ALT key again. Shortcuts are supposed to be productive.....not redundant.

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    jflores-31-Visitor
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    April 9, 2010
    Sounds like you are comparing apple to oranges. In your example with
    the ribbon you are trying to make an object selection outside of the
    ribbon (this does require another click). In your example of the file
    menu your are making selections within the file menu (this does not
    require another click, as making another selection within the ribbon
    also does not require another click).



    If you ALT F and then rather than hitting X or any other item within the
    file; you decide to select an object on the screen as in you ribbon
    example are you not required to input another click or ALT?



    Thank you, Jim Flores

    Mech. designer/CAD admin.

    Clinical Care Systems

    Philips Healthcare

    2271 Cosmos Court

    Carlsbad, CA. 92011

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    jellis1-Visitor
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    April 9, 2010
    I disagree on the "apples to oranges" quote but that's OK.

    When you get a chance give it a try. If you click the ALT key the shortcut letters show up. Click the S, B or L key..the tab changes and the interface waits for another letter click. With the shortcut letters displayed you can not make any mouse selection from the Ribbon menus or the graphic screen. You must continue with a shortcut keystroke or click the ALT button again or click the screen before any menu selection or screen selection is permitted. If you use the File menu shortcut....ALT F...you can either continue with a letter click or mouse select.

    Raphael opened the door to user input which is what I'm providing. There was dialog earlier about creating Mapkeys for shortcuts and then replies about the shortcuts that exist. I don't want to create Mapkeys if the shortcuts that exist work. I have already found that our Mapkeys, which work fine in WF4,for toggling datum features on/off had to be edited because although they worked in the Model they didn't work on the drw interface. I saw what I believed to be inconsistency in the interface between the Ribbon shortcuts and the other Menu shortcuts.

    Regards, Jim

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    jflores-31-Visitor
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    April 9, 2010
    Good to know, I try it out next time. I can understand your pain with
    extra clicks. One of my pet peeves in WF2 is the favorites folder. When
    inserting a table from file I select the favorites folder where I have
    folders for tables, 3d notes, etc. After selecting the favorites
    folder; rather than opening the favorites folder, you get a "Browse
    Favorites" button that must be selected.



    Why? It's not like a "you're about to browse the favorites folder, to
    continue click yes to cancel click no." You would think that intended
    functionality would be bright enough to know that if there is only one
    possible option for a user to select; that it should make the select for
    the user and not disrupt the flow.



    Thank you, Jim Flores

    Mech. designer/CAD admin.

    Clinical Care Systems

    Philips Healthcare

    2271 Cosmos Court

    Carlsbad, CA. 92011

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    cdspk1-Visitor
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    April 12, 2010

    One of the great strengths of ProE has always been the level of UI customization, a majority of this discussion probably would probably nothave appeared if this had been available in the Detailing UI.

    Most of us have a very small set of functions which we use 99% of the time and the rest we accept we have to hunt for on the rare occasions we use them. If this change in interface had included a 'quick access' toolbar as in MS Office it would have been an excellent interface, as it is, it just seems rushed. Adding mouse clicks is rarely a step forward,

    Sean

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