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tsry2k1-Visitor
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November 6, 2008
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List of Pro/e users across world

  • November 6, 2008
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Can any body Please provide List of Pro/E Users ( Customers) Across world.

Thanks

Srini

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    bnemec11-Visitor
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    November 7, 2008
    I get these emails frequently as well and it is always from people or companies in India/China looking for lists that they can tap to offer cheap offshore labor and they dont want to do the actual work of business development. Just looking for the easy way if someone has already done that work for them and is willing to give it up. Satyam is a CAD mill out of India/globally with hundreds of design or engineering staff cranking out CAD models and drawings at a certain level of quality. Corporations continue to use resources like this because they can tap cheap labor rates and that is the only reason. Management thinks that they are saving money just like they believe that manufacturing in china is the beat all end all for cost savings but they never factor in the true overall cost and problems of doing business in these regions nor the true cost of what they have to rework/redo. I get calls regularly from companies that have us fix or redo work that is coming back from their resources in these areas which is good for us but only costs the companies in lost time and additional money so we help where we can.

    Disclaimer: Just my $0.02/perceptions and not intended to raise the hackles of those who might disagree.
    Bruce
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    ptc-11008441-Visitor
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    November 7, 2008
    I agree with Bruce.
    List held by any legal entity is for its own purposes and should not be
    shared around. Privacy, ethics ...
    Even if a person/company had valid reasons to seek the list, it should
    be not be given out without getting explicit permission from all those
    in the list - which is fairly big job anyway!.
    As others have said, there is good amount of knowledge already in public
    domain for a person to create the list on his/her own.
    I am sure PTC/User will not provide such a list. Also the use of the
    exploder group email is governed by some rules, so that
    individuals/companies do not exploit it - which I am sure all
    subscribers know.
    My 2 Aussie cents (which is very low and falling!!) worth of comment...
    Devendra

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    mark_keevy1-Visitor
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    November 7, 2008
    Amen Brother!!!

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    tsry2k1-VisitorAuthor
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    November 7, 2008

    Yes!

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    mvillas1-Visitor
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    November 7, 2008

    I know back when I worked at John Deere we had to send 40% of our work to India! When we got it back I'd 90% of the time we had to redo it because the drawings or models were wrong. the company would of saved quite abit of money if they just left the drawing here and had us do them. just my 2cents worth.



    In Reply to Michael Locascio:

    I would be interested in this also. You "may" want to contact your PTC rep for that. Sometimes they will provide this, sometimes they will not.

    Michael P. Locascio
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    ptc-19327451-Visitor
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    November 7, 2008
    I think that the outsourcing to India/Asia is going to be short-lived
    for the following reason:



    As the CAD system creates a 'digital definition' of the product without
    the need for a drawing, the Engineers / Analysts will create a more
    complete part / assembly from the start. Even with the Internet and
    Collaboration, having to be a work late into the night (on the East
    Coast) in order to discuss Modeling / Engineering issues over the phone
    with the Philippines or India / Asia just won't make sense.



    Companies are not willing to give up their 'IP' and will not tell their
    outsourcing 'partners' enough information to design the parts themselves
    without assistance.



    I personally do not give anyone my Pro-E native files for this reason.
    I always exchange STEP files with my sources. Once someone figures out
    how to put geo tolerances, surface finishes, etc... into the STEP files,
    what else does your supplier need?





    Christopher Gosnell

    TRIGON INC.
    FPD Company
    124 Hidden Valley Road
    McMurray, PA 15317
    PH: 724.941.5540
    FX: 724.941.8322
    www.fpdinc.com
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    dd-brian1-Visitor
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    November 7, 2008
    Srinivas,



    Is that a YES! To:



    Trying to pull company info so you can cold call to work from companies?

    That you are a CAD mill with cheap, unqualified labor?

    That many of your clients have to re-work that work you do for them?

    That the companies that do use your service will end up spending more money
    in the long run than they would have if they didn't outsource?





    Knowing from experience, dealing with the work YOUR company did while
    working with a client, the projects were late, had to be redrawn several
    times, and changes were made to the models based on a thought that someone
    in India had. I have also seen with other clients how Intellectual Data had
    been kept in India and forwarded on to manufacturers in Asia where the
    collaboration to develop the product toke the engineer in the USA out of the
    equation resulting in receiving a product that we didn't order. Products
    that wouldn't past testing, and if they did, wouldn't survive long in the
    field or with the consumers that purchased the product.



    So I guess the "YES!" is correct to all questions listed above. Hopefully
    more companies will realize this before outsourcing to your "Cheap" labor.







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