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ClaudiuCraciun1-Visitor
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January 24, 2011
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ProE Wildfire 5 full of bugs

  • January 24, 2011
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After 2 weeks of using ProE Wildfire 5 I can say it's a disaster.

This one is the feed back from users. I believe this program should be friendly,easy to use and if in wildfire 4 were some functions that worked, should work also in Wildfire 5.

Doing these changes seems that PTC is not able to retest all the new changes and appears problems(bugs).

Sincerly I don't know :

I'm working for PTC or for the company with that I have the contract.

Why after we pay a lot of money for the maintenance I have to call PTC and tell them that the program have some bugs that before didn't exist.

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    ClaudiuCraciun1-VisitorAuthor
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    January 24, 2011

    Did you know that deleting ordinate dimensions in Wildfire 5 will cause you problems in case that you want to show back this dimensions?

    Try not to delete them in case that later you need to show dimensions again. Better use erase.

    Then will be another problem if your colleague need to show this dimensions on another view and doesn't know that is hidden on a specific view.

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    ClaudiuCraciun1-VisitorAuthor
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    January 25, 2011

    For people that used to work on previous versions of proe in a offset section proe used to work like this:

    Until Wildfire4 if a feature or geometry that was used as a reference in an offset section was deleted, the section continue to work but you were getting a warning message that is saying Cross Section need to be redefined

    Starting with Wildfire 4 I found that if a feature or geometry that is used as a reference in an offset section is deleted the section automatically is deleted. There is no chance to redefine the section (must be recreated again.

    More than this. In Wildfire 5 they introduce No Rezolve Mode Option that is supposed to keep feature that are loosing the references unsupressed or not deleted even if the references of o feature are missing, Even in 5 the section is deleted doesn;t matter of the Resolve Mode or No Resolve Mode Option

    Yesterday day I call PTC and the guy told me that he discuss with his colleagues and this is the functionality of ProE now.

    DO YOU BELIEVE THAT IS OK FOR A SECTION THAT IS LOSING A REFERENCE TO BE DELETED AUTOMATICALLY OR TO KEEP IT AND HAVING A MESSAGE THAT CROSS SECTION NEED TO BE REDEFINED?

    Based on your feedback I want to go forward with this call. I don't want these people that are working now for PTC to destroy what other people did more than 15 years back and worked ok.

    PLEASE GIVE ME YOUR FEED BACK

    Thx,

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    Kevin1-Visitor
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    January 25, 2011

    I think I would agree with you. I haven't tried in WF5 but my guess is that the process would be similar to WF4, but you can redefine the offset section references so the section doesn't get deleted (I haven't tried with models created in earlier versions but I'm guessing there could be problems depending on how the references were created). If you delete a reference that causes the offset section to be deleted UNDO the delete. One way you may not be able to UNDO a delete is if you have the View Manager open when you delete the reference. In the View Manager RMB the section, select Redefine, and select Section. Redefine the Sketch Setup and References for the Section.

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    BurtLand1-Visitor
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    January 25, 2011

    What release are you running?

    Its frustrating - bugs that were fixed in M030 are reappearing broken again in M070.

    Bugs that were in WF4 are still there in WF5 !

    I dont know how they test the code but its not really good enough.

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    ClaudiuCraciun1-VisitorAuthor
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    January 26, 2011

    Another problem I found:

    I have a part that contain a pattern table.

    I created more tables for this pattern and using relations I activate a different pattern table.

    I showed dimensions for a pattern that contains 4 items in drawing.

    If I activate a table that contains for example 2 items I'll see dimensions just for these 2 item until i'll regenerate. After regeneration in drawing appears dimensions for the the other 2 items that existed when the patten table had 4 items but these features don't exist anymore now in part.

    The problem is these dimensions appears when I regenerate the model from drawing but dissapear when I'm updatting the sheet.

    If I'll check the drawing status all the time apears as regenerated and updated (even if I have dimensions for 4 items, even if I have dimensions for 2 items)

    Solution maybe you believe it's easy:

    Delete the dimensions.

    If I delete these dimensions being ordinate dimensions I cannot show back when I'll activate the the pattern table with 4 items (this one bbeing another bug related under this discution.

    In conclusion for people that don't have time to read this explanation:

    In drawing I have part dimenension from features that doesn't exist in part but appears in drawing when this one is regenerated!!

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    Kevin1-Visitor
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    January 28, 2011

    Just off hand it sounds like you may be having the double regeneration issue since you are using a relation to choose between tables. Without a relation I'm able to switch from a table of four items to two and the drawing updates appropriately. Going back to four the baseline didn't need to be deleted. To show the dimensions the features not the view needed to be selected. Going from two to four the dimensions could be shown by selecting the view. If a dimension was deleted the baseline needed to be deleted before the dimensions could be shown again.

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    ClaudiuCraciun1-VisitorAuthor
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    January 31, 2011

    Hi Kevin,

    Thank you for do some tests on this issue.

    I'm using Build M060.

    I tried also to do this changes without relations but the same issue. I delete the relations that change the table, activate the table manually , regenerate the model, update the drawing and the same problem.

    Also for the ordinate dimensions that don't appear in drawing.

    I tried selecting the feature, selecting the view but the same result. I believe the baseline must be deleted and then the dimensions will appear.

    If I delete the baseline this one will delete all the other dimensions related to the baseline that Ineed them in drawing.

    If I use erase again it's bad in case that I neet to show this dimension back I have to search to see on witch view was erased, select hidden dimensions and see where this dimension is located.

    Usually for the components I need to automate them depending on the configuration chosed I need to show, or erase dimensions. But now with the new changes seed that I'll have some truble.

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    When those dimensions that appears from features that doesn't exist PTC suggested me to delete them and will not appear.

    I deleted them but when the configuration of the component required to have them I have touble to show them.

    What I don't understand is why PTC is changing stuff that worked before whitout knowing the entire functionality. These are mistakes that they are doing with money from people that pay the maintenance.

    I don't know who requested to do this changes that cause issue.

    Seems that we pay maintenance to PTC to find ourself problems and issues in this software that were not cought but their testers.

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    ClaudiuCraciun1-VisitorAuthor
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    February 4, 2011

    This functionality was a good one on the previous ProE versions:

    In MFG Module you were able to select multiple sequences and mirror them.

    Now in Wildfire 5 this one is not working anymore. I have to select one by one avery NC sequence that required to be mirrored and do the mirror function.

    Before was much easier (selecting a bunch of sequences), select the mirror plan and everithing done.

    If this change in wildfire 5 represent improvement something in bad. Nobody check what is going on in the new versions?

    Sorry but I have to add all these issue here for:

    - people to know what problmes they will have when are using this version

    - maybe somebody at PTC will see these issues and will do something in future not to happend.

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    ClaudiuCraciun1-VisitorAuthor
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    February 7, 2011

    Guys, this one is very bad one.

    I don't know is you are familiar with Pro/E MFG but having a trajectory sequence mirrored in Wildfire4 worked like this:

    - First is doing the main sequence (if this sequence contains multiple trajectory is doing one by one every trajectory and at the end of each trajectory is doing a retract operation)

    - Second is doing the mirrored trajectories the same after each mirror trajectory is doing a retract operation

    Now how it's working in wildfire 5:

    - first is doing the main sequence (if this one containd multiple trajectory is doing one by one evey trajectory and at the end of each trajectory the tool is doing a retract)

    - second is doing the first trajectory mirror (up to here everything ok)

    - trurd is going with no retract to the first plunged point from the main trajectory (thru the reference part destroing in this way the Ref Model and after this is going to the mirrored sequences second trajectory)

    This issue is very bad specialy when you have maufacturing files already done in Wildfire 4, 3, 2 and everithing was ok but when you opend them in W5 and try to generate the ncl or G code you get this problem.

    Usualy these manufacturing files have been checked before and nobody check them now in vericut to see if there is any issue and start to destroy parts and tools.

    Sincerly, what don't understand is during these 3 weeks from when I switched to wildfire 5 I found several issue:

    - Some of them have an easy work around but I see no reason why PTC changed the functionality and I believe the person that agreed with the changes at PTC I believe doesn't know the entire functionality that existed before

    - Some of them are dezaster

    I don't know how come people on those movies from PTC site can lies about ProE W 5 and say that represent Design Without Barriers, or Key to Efficient Design, no pther software like ProE

    Placing all these issues here is not because I want to complain about ProE. Is because there are people that change this software without knowing how the software is working and nobody is doing enything about this.

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    Kevin1-Visitor
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    February 7, 2011

    Sincerly, what don't understand is during these 3 weeks from when I switched to wildfire 5 I found several issue:

    - Some of them have an easy work around but I see no reason why PTC changed the functionality and I believe the person that agreed with the changes at PTC I believe doesn't know the entire functionality that existed before

    - Some of them are dezaster


    Are you refering to me or just in general?

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