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rrich1-Visitor
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December 6, 2012
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Transfer 3D metal shield to allegro?

  • December 6, 2012
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Is it possible to transfer a 3D.prt file from pro/e to allegro for viewing?

Ron

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    bokm96061-Visitor
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    December 7, 2012
    If you are using ECAD IDF (.emn and .emp files) you could take the Allegro
    layout into your 3d model and see how things are looking in 3D space. Or
    when providing EMN file to Allegro you could model a ECAD keep-in or
    keep-out zone on your PCB to pass this info into Allegro...



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    ptc-11405601-Visitor
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    December 7, 2012
    I'd recommend creating the board in 3D and then transferring it to
    Creo/ProE. I am not aware of any ECAD software that can complete analysis
    such as interference checks.



    If you haven't looked at already, you may want to take a look at IDF-to-3D
    at www.simplifiedsolutionsinc.com. You can populate PCBs with accurate 3D
    models and generate a 3D PDF of your design for free. If happy with the
    output, you can pay to download the 3D PCB in STEP format. The Pro/E files
    of the 3D PCB can be made available upon request.


    Regards,



    Keith



    Keith Richman
    Simplified Solutions Inc.
    410-420-7853 (United States)
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    bokm96061-Visitor
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    December 7, 2012
    ECAD capabilities (emn and emp files) are built right into the Foundation
    licenses of Pro/E. if you have Pro/E, you should be able to export and
    import emn and emp files.



    On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 3:21 AM, Keith Richman <
    -> wrote:

    > I’d recommend creating the board in 3D and then transferring it to
    > Creo/ProE. I am not aware of any ECAD software that can complete analysis
    > such as interference checks. ****
    >
    > ** **
    >
    > If you haven’t looked at already, you may want to take a look at IDF-to-3D
    > at www.simplifiedsolutionsinc.com. You can populate PCBs with accurate
    > 3D models and generate a 3D PDF of your design for free. If happy with the
    > output, you can pay to download the 3D PCB in STEP format. The Pro/E files
    > of the 3D PCB can be made available upon request.****
    >
    >
    > Regards,****
    >
    > ** **
    >
    > Keith****
    >
    > ****
    >
    > Keith Richman
    > Simplified Solutions Inc.
    > 410-420-7853 (United States)
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    ptc-11405601-Visitor
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    December 7, 2012
    Peter, this is true and has been true for more than a decade. If you like
    the blocks that IDF produces, there is no problem.



    If more detailed components are required, the options are limited:



    1. Spend a lot of time and labor to create a custom library of 3D
    models/ecad_hint.map file.



    or



    2. Utilize the Simplified Solutions, IDF-to-3D tool where the user
    imports IDF files and connects the existing Simplified Solutions library of
    3D Electrical Components to components within those IDF files.



    On the first pass with IDF-to-3D, you should be able to create a 3D PCB with
    real 3D component geometry models in a few hours. On future boards, this
    time gets reduced significantly as the "mappings" are saved. It definitely
    beats the 40+ hours it would take to build 3D components and populate the
    imported IDF file manually. I used to use the manual method.there is a
    better way.



    Regards,



    Keith


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    rrich1-VisitorAuthor
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    December 7, 2012
    We currently do use emn and emp files that is not the problem. I am looking for a way to go from 3D with a shield or other form and send it back into Allegro. I did get a 4MB PDF that looks to show me how to do something like that. I would have attached it here but I do not have permission to share it with the world. If you would like it let me know I will send it to you.

    Ron
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    ptc-1412741-Visitor
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    December 7, 2012
    Slightly different twist on this topic. We use EMN and EMP files as well to transfer our data.

    The issue we have is with rigid flex boards (minimum of two rigid board connected via flexible circuit) is that when we transfer the flattened version of the rigid flex file, it loses the flexible portion.
    It doesn't like the fact that the flexible portion is at a different Z value (height). It wants to see one continuous surface. We have a work around for single boards ( the issue is with milled down areas there), but rigid flex boards are a challenge and we currently handle them with two files.

    But two files mean human error waiting to happen.

    Anyone doing anything different?

    ~Doug

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