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14-Alexandrite
November 26, 2021
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mechanical "strange oscillator" problem

  • November 26, 2021
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Hi all

I have a mechanical problem, but i don't a have a mathematical skill to solve it, I hope that someone could help me👃

in first, see simplified drawing:

  1. 030504.jpg

     in yellow box , is a winch

  2.  wire betwen winch and pulley (steel cable,the length is low, the elongation can be a constant, maybe )
  3. pulley connected to ground with spring
  4. wire betwen mechanical elbow and pulley (steel cable,the length is high, i need to use Hooke's law for evaluate elongation, and correct this to calculate good Lw parameter)
  5. mechanical elbow
  6. mechanical load mg ( for simplify what happens in mechanicel elbow, we consider un traction forces on wire node at elbow)

At t0 system at rest  : it is as if the spring is a bar

At t1, the winch pulls to make an ordered value for alpha

 

Find Lw according to alpha angle, the object of the game is that the winch gives a Lw length which allows to maintain alpha angle according to the instructions (angle ordered)

 

What i feel : variable is a function f(x)=k(x) , here is a differential equation

I do not know, neither to pose this problem nor to solve it😓

this is above my skills, but it's very interesting

 

Anyone can help me ? I would like to learn how to solve this

2 replies

XDN14-AlexandriteAuthor
14-Alexandrite
November 26, 2021

i can add this comment:

At t0 we have a small load in wire. (prestressing)

This small load it make by traction spring, and it is nessary to avoid the cable goes out of the winch

Of course the winch is connected to a motor, and motor is connected to ground

the speed is low, and the system has time to equilibrate, it can be considered static I think

XDN14-AlexandriteAuthor
14-Alexandrite
November 26, 2021

Another one things, for show the scale, the wire cable diameter is 1 millimeter

and the systeme is small, the pulley (made with steel)  diameter is 40mm and this  thickness is 4 milimeter

I think that we can neglect the masses and the inertia of different part.

 

sorry for the multiple messages, but it seems that we can no edit the post

 

23-Emerald IV
November 26, 2021

You should be able to edit your own posts, within about one day from first posting. Just go to the (three dots) menu in the upper right corner of the posting and select edit.

 

Regarding the topic: I wouldn't know where to start, but if you give me the (set of) differential equation(s) I'll be happy to help solve it.

 

Success!

Luc

23-Emerald I
November 26, 2021

Need one more clarification:

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What is the force reaction at this point?

XDN14-AlexandriteAuthor
14-Alexandrite
November 26, 2021

This point is not a pulley, is a hinge

and this hinge had a linear guidance on z_axis with ground

in the same way, the pulley (blue circle) have a linear guidance on z_axis with ground

i calculated reaction forces at this point in terms of alpha angle (resulting moment theorem)

and i finally, i find the lenght cable for alpha angle value 0° to 90°, it's no linear.

i translate my worksheet, after this, post it .

 

23-Emerald I
November 26, 2021

This point is not a pulley, is a hinge

and this hinge had a linear guidance on z_axis with ground

in the same way, the pulley (blue circle) have a linear guidance on z_axis with ground

 

If that hinge is constrained in x, then the tension in the cable is constant equal to the weight m g.