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Best answer by AlvaroDíaz

Hi Valery.

Valery Ochkov wrote:

Yes. My graph is a^b=constant. In Mathcad without units (m=1). Why? Mathcad cannot work with unit^unit.

Finally I can see that a^b = constant in the curve! But still non understanding why 😞 . You take L2 = ln(a)/ln(L1) with L1 in meters, so maybe have more complicated expressions for the units, even at the end must to be constant = m^m.

I never see something like your curve, but I'm not a curve expert. I guess that for the curve name Valery's curve isn't the best, just because you between hands have others like logarithmic or roth, in your math toolbar picture. Maybe the "potential - exponential Valery's curve" for this, and log-Valery's, root-Valery's for the "others". There are some math or geometrical institution where can ask about some antecedent of this?

Please, give us parametric expressions of the curve, and then eqs for arc length and area. Also, someone with a lot of ability and some time can construct the mechanical system showing in the plot. Your curve represent a geometrical system, with an amazing property, which can be translated to a mechanical system, and some other electrical via mec-elec equivalents (this is a circuit showing in an oscilloscope this curve).

Raise powers are curious. They are just a resumed products, that's easy, and seems to be the same than product is for the sum. But because is not a commutative binary operation (3^5 != 5^3) have to inverses: one by the right (roots) and other by the left (logs). And that's not that easy.

Best regards.

Alvaro.

3 replies

23-Emerald IV
June 28, 2016

Hi Valery,

Is there any physical or mathematical significance or use for this?

Luc

24-Ruby IV
June 28, 2016

LucMeekes написал(а):

Hi Valery,

Is there any physical or mathematical significance or use for this?

Luc

Yes, there is!

1-Visitor
June 28, 2016

Mathcad 11 gives the correct answer

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24-Ruby IV
June 28, 2016

Sorry, it is not correct answer!

Maple gives the correct answer:

12-Amethyst
June 28, 2016

Just for meters, and probably for others. What do you have in mind with that, Valery? Which physical significance is, as LucMeekes ask?

Best regards.

Alvaro.

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25-Diamond I
June 28, 2016

Exponents have to be unitless, like the argument of a logarithm function, e.g.

So Mathcad 11 and also Mathcad 15 and even Prime are right. Primes error message is less meaningful, though.

23-Emerald I
June 29, 2016

If you chase down thru and find Val's sheet, there's a cute little expression near the top

m := 1

He's not raising units to units, he's raising 1 to the first power.

25-Diamond I
June 29, 2016

Fred Kohlhepp wrote:

If you chase down thru and find Val's sheet, there's a cute little expression near the top

m := 1

He's not raising units to units, he's raising 1 to the first power.

Yes, I noticed that. But he seems to insist that unit^unit should make sense in a math or physical way.