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RaphMORIN16-Pearl
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March 8, 2016
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ModuleWorks to replace Vericut

  • March 8, 2016
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Hi all, just read this in article CS226148,

  • ModuleWorks will replace NCCHECK & VERICUT starting from versions below:
    • Creo Parametric 2.0 M210
    • Creo Parametric 3.0 M090
  • Starting from above versions, Vericut won't be available for use anymore
    • To perform material removal simulation, select NC sequence from model tree > RMB > Material Removal Simulation, it will access ModuleWorks
    • The default value of config.pro option nccheck_type is changed to moduleworks
  • Main Reasons of the choice of ModuleWorks is that :
    • It offers the capability to Simulate Material Removal Embedded in Creo Parametric (Only NCCHECK allowed that)
    • It is not limited as NCCHECK was in the past
    • It allows usage of OpenGL libraries used by Creo and improves by this way User Experience (possible smooth rotations of the manufacturing assembly in Creo When Material is being removed in ModuleWorks)

What do you think about this ? Do you know ModuleWorks ?

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    James621-Visitor
    1-Visitor
    March 8, 2016

    Sounds good. Any info about licences?

    And no i don't know ModuleWorks.

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    RaphMORIN16-PearlAuthor
    16-Pearl
    March 8, 2016

    I don't think this will change anything concerning licences. We'll have a ModuleWorks licence replacing the Vericut one.

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    James621-Visitor
    1-Visitor
    March 8, 2016

    Yeah, hopefully the cost of replacement will be covered by maintenance.

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    SteveLucas1-Visitor
    1-Visitor
    March 8, 2016

    Sounds interesting I guess. I had not heard of Module works until now. We switched from Vericut to NCsimul this fall because I didn't like where the way Vericut would not check g code unless you bought the the expensive version.NCsimul is expensive too but I think it is a little easier to use and has more features as far as I am concerned.

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    JavierGarcia10-Marble
    10-Marble
    March 8, 2016

    I don´t know Module works.

    We switched to NCSIMUL long time ago...

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    JoseCoronado15-Moonstone
    15-Moonstone
    March 9, 2016

    Hello, you can find more information about moduleworks here: CNC Simulation and Toolpath Verification CAD/CAM components by ModuleWorks.

    The goal of this project was to provide a Material Removal Simulation capability inside the Creo NC session, you will not need any extra license and this change is covered by maintenance.

    What you will see in Creo 2 M210 and Creo 3 M090 is the first implementation of the new libraries, more functionality will follow in the next MORs.

    Best Regards

    Jose

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      RaphMORIN16-PearlAuthor
      16-Pearl
      March 9, 2016

      Thanks for the information. Just hope that the first implementation will at least cover the same functionalities we have in Vericut and NCSimul.

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      RaphMORIN16-PearlAuthor
      16-Pearl
      April 1, 2016

      Creo 3.0 M090 was released yesterday, so I tested ModuleWorks. Bad start for this tool, on the first part I tested, it leaves material in two corners where it shouldn't. I know the program works fine as the parts have been milled without any problem. Vericut simulates this part correctly ! I'm a bit disappointed about this.

      On the image below, the blue surfaces are the areas where stock material is not milled.

      Simulation with vericut below.

      I opened a support case about this.

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        joshuataylor1-Visitor
        1-Visitor
        April 1, 2016

        Do you know if ModuleWorks have the ability to simulate posted code or only CL data?

        Josh

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        lbai10-Marble
        10-Marble
        April 1, 2016

        So I test, only support to run material removal simulation for existing sequence and operations directly.

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        tbuhrman1-Visitor
        1-Visitor
        April 5, 2016

        I've been testing Creo 3 with this and have uncovered 2 major problems.

        1. The simulation claims that there is a collision between tool and fixture when there isn't any. This happens multiple times. I assume that it has something to do with the 45 deg. face mill being used.

        2. Inability to have more than one view. I program HMCs with a b axis and the program works on more than one face of a part. Vericut allowed the use of multiple view which was great for my application. I could easily see what was going on around the part instead of just one face.

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        RaphMORIN16-PearlAuthor
        16-Pearl
        April 6, 2016

        Hi Thomas,

        Have you tried to modify the parameters I've coloured on the image below ?

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        tbuhrman1-Visitor
        1-Visitor
        April 6, 2016

        Raphael,

        I did not see those settings yesterday. Changing them fixed the collision problems. Thanks!

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        vsadchikov1-Visitor
        1-Visitor
        April 7, 2016

        Dear users!

        What do you think, what is needed Creo configuration option: nccheck = external?

        How does this option?

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        ddenissouza1-Visitor
        1-Visitor
        April 7, 2016

        Hello,

        Follows the image

        Capturar.JPG

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        vsadchikov1-Visitor
        1-Visitor
        April 7, 2016

        No. This option 3 -External

        nccheck_.jpg

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        JoseCoronado15-Moonstone
        15-Moonstone
        April 11, 2016

        Hello, please use the link below, to see a demo the new Material Removal functionality, based on Moduleworks technology. Also, we want to get feedback from those users that already tried the functionality

        This session will be next Thursday April 14th, 2016 . From 8:00 to 9:00 AM EST.

        Thanks

        Jose


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        RaphMORIN16-PearlAuthor
        16-Pearl
        April 11, 2016

        Hi Jose, do you know what time this is for France ?

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        JoseCoronado15-Moonstone
        15-Moonstone
        April 11, 2016

        Hi Raphael, is 6 hrs difference. Should be from 2:00 to 3:00 PM Paris time...

        Regards

        Jose

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        jcrook1-Visitor
        1-Visitor
        January 4, 2017

        My 2 cents. Also, as of 1/4/17, the application may have been upgraded since this post started.

        Qualifier: I was doing a very simple 5X part and not verifying multiple tombstone faces in a horizontal application.

        Also, I didn't have machine kinematics active on the part nor did I try to import with part to see how ModuleWorks handles that.

        I liked ModuleWorks right off the bat.

        Accessing it is far simpler than NCCheck.

        It was much more intuitive when saving material removal for next tool.

        Manipulating model was very responsive, I didn't like NCCheck for this. We we're using the basic version though.

        Jay.

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        bmadsen1-Visitor
        1-Visitor
        February 1, 2017

        Hello all,

        Is there a way to change the color of the simulated surface so I can visually see if a tool is gouging into the model without having the tool stop at every gouge? Like If my tool was cutting too deep and I wanted the color of the gouged surface to be bright red.

        Any help would be appreciated.

        Thank you,

        Brian

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        RaphMORIN16-PearlAuthor
        16-Pearl
        February 2, 2017

        Hello,

        I don't think this is possible. The only way to get this, is to click the compare button at the end of the simulation.

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        bmadsen1-Visitor
        1-Visitor
        February 16, 2017

        Raphael,

        After changing the compare feature several times. I have a setup that works for me. Thanks for bringing that compare button up.

        It seems like a feature that should already be in the moduleworks but it's not. Hopefully next version.

        Thanks again,

        Brian

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