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4-Participant
Jun 27, 2024 10:22 PM UTC
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y+, intelligent wall formulation, BL questions about Creo Flow

I'm starting to play around more with Creo Flow and am a little unclear about the available options for modeling the boundary layer

1) Is there an option to select a laminar boundary layer or is everything just modeled using a turbulent BL with k-eps formulation?

2) Are there other turbulent BL options other than k-eps?

3) does the k-eps BL option include an intelligent wall formulation, where the cells in the BL that have a y+ lower than some cutoff value are ignored?

4) What are some of the levers that I can pull to achieve y+ values in the typically desired range of 13-31?

Thanks!

MArk

 

 

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13-Aquamarine
Aug 24, 2024 12:55 AM UTC

Hi 

 

1) Is there an option to select a laminar boundary layer or is everything just modeled using a turbulent BL with k-eps formulation?

yes, in the physics module, just add flow without turbulence, then you don't have turbulence models in the project.

2) Are there other turbulent BL options other than k-eps?

yes, we have k-e and also RNG and realizable k-e, but k-e should fit be a good fit for most of cases. 

3) does the k-eps BL option include an intelligent wall formulation, where the cells in the BL that have a y+ lower than some cutoff value are ignored?

Yes. we already consider y+ range and turbulence BL structure in our wall functions. e.g. log low and sub layers

4) What are some of the levers that I can pull to achieve y+ values in the typically desired range of 13-31?

You can try reduce the surface mesh size and also consider reduce the aspect ratio of the mesh. all those meshing controls can be found in mesher properties. 

 

Hope this helps!

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Jul 4, 2024 6:58 PM UTC

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4-Participant
Jul 8, 2024 2:24 PM UTC

Many thanks for your help!

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13-Aquamarine
Aug 24, 2024 12:55 AM UTC

Hi 

 

1) Is there an option to select a laminar boundary layer or is everything just modeled using a turbulent BL with k-eps formulation?

yes, in the physics module, just add flow without turbulence, then you don't have turbulence models in the project.

2) Are there other turbulent BL options other than k-eps?

yes, we have k-e and also RNG and realizable k-e, but k-e should fit be a good fit for most of cases. 

3) does the k-eps BL option include an intelligent wall formulation, where the cells in the BL that have a y+ lower than some cutoff value are ignored?

Yes. we already consider y+ range and turbulence BL structure in our wall functions. e.g. log low and sub layers

4) What are some of the levers that I can pull to achieve y+ values in the typically desired range of 13-31?

You can try reduce the surface mesh size and also consider reduce the aspect ratio of the mesh. all those meshing controls can be found in mesher properties. 

 

Hope this helps!

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4-Participant
Aug 26, 2024 7:08 PM UTC

Thanks – that’s very helpful!

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Aug 29, 2024 3:27 AM UTC

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4-Participant
Sep 24, 2024 1:55 PM UTC

Very helpful - thanks a bunch!

 

Mark

 

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