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Obtaining Bounding Boxes for 3D Models

  • December 5, 2021
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Hi,

 

I have been reading some of the other posts and noticed here that the accepted solution mentions "techniques to get the bounding boxes of 3D parts", so I was hoping to learn how to do this. I am currently working on some projects in which this capability would be very useful. Thank you in advance for your help.

 

Regards,

JT

Best answer by RolandRaytchev

Hi @JTFrandsen ,

I think the bounding boxes of 3D parts/components  could be passed to  Studio metadata but this is something what is not possible to be achieved by default in the current functionality - so far I know and so far I understand the current functionality after some more detailed check.

Here is an example what currently the meta data of specific pvs /PVZ component will contain:

 

...
,"/0/0/1/1/11":{"":{"Feature_Id":"74","Source_file_name":"main_bearing.prt.3","Source_part_name":"main_bearing_mid.prt"},"PROE Parameters":{"COST":"0.000000","DESCRIPTION":"Bearing, Main","DESIGNER":"J Buch","MATERIAL":"Steel","PART_NUMBER":"000-000-000","PDMDB":"ProEngine","PDMREV":"1.10+","PDMRL":"WIP","PTC_MATERIAL_NAME":"STEELMMNS","VENDOR":"PTC","WEIGHT":"0.000021"},"__PV_SystemProperties":{"Child Count":"0","Component Name":"MAIN_BEARING_MID.PRT","Display Name":"MAIN_BEARING_MID.PRT","Model Extents (mm)":"55.5","OL File Name":"l-Creo 3D_0_l-Creo 3D_0_proengine_9.ol","Part Depth":"6","Part ID":"11","Part ID Path":"/0/0/1/1/11","Part Name":"MAIN_BEARING_MID.PRT","Part Path":"Illustration/Illustration/ENGINE.ASM/ENGINE_BODY.ASM/CYLINDER_BLOCK.ASM/MAIN_BEARING_MID.PRT"}},...

 

 

We can see that all PROE parameters are comming (in case that  the source CAD system is  Creo Parameteric). The only geometrical property what we could see is the extend attribute. 

.... But the data is there -> here for example when we open a PVZ file in Creo View (MCAD license) and check the component properties:

 

2021-12-06_16-41-03.jpg

So, we can find for each component the center of gravity and the bounding box information.

Possibly we can have soon this information also in the meta file when we load a file in Studio with the option to create a json meta file. I will check with dev team if such configuration could be setup in the current release / R&D reference VTS-719/ .

if this is not possible then I think we have the following options:

  • write information to xml and add it as property to pvs via the Creo view adapter as documented in: 

 

Advanced PVS Optimize Utility Configuration

http://support.ptc.com/help//creo/view/r8.0/en/index.html#page/creo_view%2Fadapter_install_config_guide%2FConfig-PVSChange%2FPVSChangeConfigAdvanced%2FAdvanceViewCompressUtilityConfig.html%23

Using the PVS Optimize Utility to Add Attributes to PVS Files from XML input

http://support.ptc.com/help//creo/view/r8.0/en/index.html#page/creo_view%2Fadapter_install_config_guide%2FConfig-PVSChange%2FPVSChangeConfigAdvanced%2FAdding_Attributes_to_PVS_Files_through_pvschange.html%23

Advanced Recipe Configuration for PVS Optimize Utility

http://support.ptc.com/help//creo/view/r8.0/en/index.html#page/creo_view%2Fadapter_install_config_guide%2FConfig-PVSChange%2FPVSChangeConfigAdvanced%2FAdvanced_Recipe_Configuration_for_PVSOptimize_Utility.html

The problem here is that in this case  we need to extract the information . The trivial case to read the info and write down to a xml file if we have an assembly with few parts. 

In case that the parts are coming form Creo Parametric we can use Creo Parametric Toolkit (requires dev license) or JLink(does not require dev license) to  visit the Root assembly tree and for each component to extract the bounding box  information , center of gravity ... etc. and then to write these information

  1. into a xml file to be imported later via the Creo View adapter XML interface  as mentioned above or
  2. to create Creo Parametric parameters which will contains these values. In this case the parameters will be available in the meta data.

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VladimirN24-Ruby III
24-Ruby III
December 5, 2021

Here are some more useful topics:

 

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RolandRaytchev21-Topaz IAnswer
21-Topaz I
December 6, 2021

Hi @JTFrandsen ,

I think the bounding boxes of 3D parts/components  could be passed to  Studio metadata but this is something what is not possible to be achieved by default in the current functionality - so far I know and so far I understand the current functionality after some more detailed check.

Here is an example what currently the meta data of specific pvs /PVZ component will contain:

 

...
,"/0/0/1/1/11":{"":{"Feature_Id":"74","Source_file_name":"main_bearing.prt.3","Source_part_name":"main_bearing_mid.prt"},"PROE Parameters":{"COST":"0.000000","DESCRIPTION":"Bearing, Main","DESIGNER":"J Buch","MATERIAL":"Steel","PART_NUMBER":"000-000-000","PDMDB":"ProEngine","PDMREV":"1.10+","PDMRL":"WIP","PTC_MATERIAL_NAME":"STEELMMNS","VENDOR":"PTC","WEIGHT":"0.000021"},"__PV_SystemProperties":{"Child Count":"0","Component Name":"MAIN_BEARING_MID.PRT","Display Name":"MAIN_BEARING_MID.PRT","Model Extents (mm)":"55.5","OL File Name":"l-Creo 3D_0_l-Creo 3D_0_proengine_9.ol","Part Depth":"6","Part ID":"11","Part ID Path":"/0/0/1/1/11","Part Name":"MAIN_BEARING_MID.PRT","Part Path":"Illustration/Illustration/ENGINE.ASM/ENGINE_BODY.ASM/CYLINDER_BLOCK.ASM/MAIN_BEARING_MID.PRT"}},...

 

 

We can see that all PROE parameters are comming (in case that  the source CAD system is  Creo Parameteric). The only geometrical property what we could see is the extend attribute. 

.... But the data is there -> here for example when we open a PVZ file in Creo View (MCAD license) and check the component properties:

 

2021-12-06_16-41-03.jpg

So, we can find for each component the center of gravity and the bounding box information.

Possibly we can have soon this information also in the meta file when we load a file in Studio with the option to create a json meta file. I will check with dev team if such configuration could be setup in the current release / R&D reference VTS-719/ .

if this is not possible then I think we have the following options:

  • write information to xml and add it as property to pvs via the Creo view adapter as documented in: 

 

Advanced PVS Optimize Utility Configuration

http://support.ptc.com/help//creo/view/r8.0/en/index.html#page/creo_view%2Fadapter_install_config_guide%2FConfig-PVSChange%2FPVSChangeConfigAdvanced%2FAdvanceViewCompressUtilityConfig.html%23

Using the PVS Optimize Utility to Add Attributes to PVS Files from XML input

http://support.ptc.com/help//creo/view/r8.0/en/index.html#page/creo_view%2Fadapter_install_config_guide%2FConfig-PVSChange%2FPVSChangeConfigAdvanced%2FAdding_Attributes_to_PVS_Files_through_pvschange.html%23

Advanced Recipe Configuration for PVS Optimize Utility

http://support.ptc.com/help//creo/view/r8.0/en/index.html#page/creo_view%2Fadapter_install_config_guide%2FConfig-PVSChange%2FPVSChangeConfigAdvanced%2FAdvanced_Recipe_Configuration_for_PVSOptimize_Utility.html

The problem here is that in this case  we need to extract the information . The trivial case to read the info and write down to a xml file if we have an assembly with few parts. 

In case that the parts are coming form Creo Parametric we can use Creo Parametric Toolkit (requires dev license) or JLink(does not require dev license) to  visit the Root assembly tree and for each component to extract the bounding box  information , center of gravity ... etc. and then to write these information

  1. into a xml file to be imported later via the Creo View adapter XML interface  as mentioned above or
  2. to create Creo Parametric parameters which will contains these values. In this case the parameters will be available in the meta data.
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    RolandRaytchev21-Topaz I
    21-Topaz I
    December 8, 2021

    Hi @JTFrandsen , but also hello everybodiy who is looking on this post.

    This is an enhancement which is considered by R&D and could be implemented soon. But could you please, provide a short justification what will be the goal when you have e.g. the bounding box coordinates/dims. What of new functionality could be achieved, what will we advantage? I will appreciate if you could share your viewpoints regarding this issue so I could discuss this later with dev team.

    Thanks

      J
      JTFrandsen10-MarbleAuthor
      10-Marble
      December 9, 2021

      Thank you @RolandRaytchev and @VladimirN for your speedy and thorough replies! I am currently swamped with other projects, but I will definitely look more into your solutions when time permits. Your solutions seem very promising and I'm excited to dig in deeper.

       

      As far as some use cases for bounding boxes, I have a few projects in mind. The first being the ability to accurately determine which objects AR experience users are looking at. I'm involved in AR research at a university level and I've been looking at how to use data about a user's gaze to enhance the experience itself. I have worked with @SteveGhee (thank you again, Steve!!) to lay the groundwork for some potential applications in this area (you can find my GitHub repo here), but presently I have to base everything off of the object's origin. In the case of larger objects or objects that are long and thin, using the origin just doesn't work very well. Bounding boxes would help me get a much more accurate idea of what people are looking at because I could essentially reference the object's actual size.

       

      The other application I would love bounding boxes for is robot path planning in AR. I have already developed methods for creating 3D paths for the robot to follow using an AR interface (I made a poster about it for a PTC event which can be found on this webpage), but one feature I would LOVE to add is the ability to define obstacles in AR (such as another piece of equipment). I would factor bounding boxes into my path planning algorithm so that the robot could avoid crashing into the obstacles around it.

       

      These are some areas I can think of for using bounding boxes, but I'm sure there are plenty more too! @RolandRaytchev like you said in your first post, even if bounding boxes could just be passed into Vuforia Studio as metadata, that would be a great place to start.

       

      Thank you for all your help!

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        24-Ruby III
        VladimirN24-Ruby III
        24-Ruby III
        December 9, 2021

        You're welcome.

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