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15-Moonstone
November 5, 2013
Question

Watermark rev of wt.part on the published drawing

  • November 5, 2013
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I am hoping somebody already figured it out, and it is not a costly customization...

32 replies

1-Visitor
February 11, 2014

In most cases of the drawing I've seen at a lot of companies, it's a combination of attributes coming from:



  • WTPart (number, name, description, entire BOM table)

  • ECNs (ECN #, approvers and dates)

  • ECRs (ECR #, approvers, originators, dates)

  • Change activities (approvers, document impact matrix, date

  • WTDocuments (number, name, description, revision, URL link to content for user guides and manuals)

  • EFFECTIVITY attributes in the usage and reference links between object/where used (different values)

  • Security Labels (confidential, top-secret, for your eyes only)

  • Lifecycle states of the objects mentioned above (WTPart BOMs, ECN's, ECR's, Change Activities, WTDocuments)

  • webservices ties to ERP systems with work stoppage, holds and so forth in case production floor has to read the viewable.

You can use both watermark or the PLM worker to modify the drawing itself to generate a 3rd party image (pdf, iges, tiff, etc). I don't understant why PTC hasn't gotten out of this mindset of Pro/INTRALINK with EPMDocuments and ProE. Much bigger world outside ProE.


Good luck,


Patrick

In Reply to Patrick Chin:



HI Dimitry,


I know that someone who figured it out. I don't think it is costly customization and I thinkthey are pretty affordable. It called the "Stamper" and PLM Worker from Najanaja.com. It is a great self-configurable architected framework that you can query any application (i.e. Windchill) up and down objects to be placed on the drawings as a watermark. I really like the flexibilty of the framework.


I've used Najanaja in the past and had no issues with their support and amazing work. Some many other big companies have used Najanaja as well. I wouldn't waste my time and money with other companies with false promises that has no experience with standard requirements and windchill proper architecture. If you have a tight budget, timeline and want the best custom solutions,give them a shout. Because we all have tons of experience implementing Windchill, I have no issues passing my requirements to them with instant sync'ing of knowledge of business requirements, architectual soluions and expected results. When you have to start to teachthe consulting company how to properly look into up and down Windchill architecture, then you know you should be looking elsewhere. I don't have that issue with Najanaja.


http://www.najanaja.com/?q=products



Patrick

In Reply to Dmitry Ushamirsky:



I am hoping somebody already figured it out, and it is not a costly customization...

GregoryPERASSO
16-Pearl
February 11, 2014

Hello



not sure that is possible today...


Typically when not watermarking on the Workers side, but directly in the client side.


if you open 3D viz from the EPMdoc info page. you will not have WTpart attributes loaded in Creo View


But if you open the 3Dviz from the WTpart info page where the EPMdoc is linked by owner link. WTpart attributes are loaded. So you can watermark it on 3D annotation.


For drawings, even if you link by content link the drawing to the wtpart. And open it from the info WTpart page. WTPart attributes are not loaded in Drawing viz ..... 😞 So impossible to watermark dynamically the drawing with "WTpart Centric" approach.


Basically . totally remove drawing table from drawings and watermark them "on demand" depending of Context or WTpart strtucture configspec ....


Today, we workaround this by implementing our own "print Drawing" action in WTpart info page.


We use the Itext java library to create a composite PDF file containing a summary page with WTpart attributes, and collect all relating drawings + watermark WTPart revision, state, date , reviewers, etc ...


This action is contextual and can be used with different config spec, to be able to print a "Released" PDF content, ora "prototype" content ... based on our LifeCycle states ...



please vote for my idea "enhance Watermarks in Creo View"


http://communities.ptc.com/ideas/1065D



regards


Gregory

1-Visitor
February 11, 2014


My first question is why do you want toWatermark? Our customerstell us
itis tobothprotect the IP of thedata and also to ensure that that data is
not used incorrectly; for example an engineer needs to know he is looking atan
“inwork”and not a“released” drawing, but another reason is that a drawing
should be marked so it is not easily copied.


Whatever happens it is almost impossible to make the data absolutely secure
if it can be downloaded from the system



For me there are various technical options



1. Thedata is “stamped” during publishing or re-publishing, for example
using a PDF library to ensure the stored data is marked



2. The data has a watermark applied to it when it viewed or downloaded with
a viewer



3. The watermark is applied “on the fly” however it is accessed, allowing
context data to be added such as “who downloaded it and when”



We have been working on the last option as it seems to ensure that the data
is always marked correctly for both security and usage reasons,




BR

Simon




1-Visitor
February 12, 2014

Gregory.I tried your link & it showed to be deleted &/or didnt work.

Patrick, I cant see going into customizing for watermarks, when I have seen locations that get it to work OOTB. I just cant seem to get it working, because the ptc guides are not to helpful. I also have a ptc call in & they are a day late on their suggested response time. Now if I go somewhere where they want extensive watermarking, I will cant see paying for it, because I have head itext works fine. I think its free, but im not sure.

But I have been at a few locations that have watermarking working, so I imagine it does work somewhere.

I am just trying to get some one that has it working, to look at my files &/or send their files (datajett@aol.com), so I cn put this behind me.

Thanks
Larry Jett

GregoryPERASSO
16-Pearl
February 12, 2014

Larry


you have to be authenticated with a ptc community account


regards

1-Visitor
February 12, 2014

Dear Lawrence,


We had the same doubt with iText and so contacted them to clarify, they made it perfectly clear that we need to pay for a license if we included it in any of our code; we therefore chose a different really free libary to use. I am not sure if this was because Windchill is not open source, or we were providing our code to many clients (we offered to make the PDF tools open source but it was not enough)so I would check yourselves with them if you have any doubts; I find the open-source licensing model confusing when we are talking about custom code used in a single organization.


Regards


Simon

1-Visitor
February 12, 2014

Hi Larry,


I think Najanaja.com PDF stamper (watermark) is free to download. But, give them a call. No matter what you still have to create either a custom query or using QueryBuilder (ootb) to transverse object relationships to get values other than the business principle (workflow) or EPMDocument object.


I can't see paying for anything outside these standard business requirements that is common for all companies. It really should be OOTB. But, like all large software companies, its a slow process but hopefully it becomes OOTB. It really depends on how much workarounds and business risk you want to incureversus immediate success of the implementation.


Patrick

In Reply to Lawrence Jett:



Gregory.I tried your link & it showed to be deleted &/or didnt work.

Patrick, I cant see going into customizing for watermarks, when I have seen locations that get it to work OOTB. I just cant seem to get it working, because the ptc guides are not to helpful. I also have a ptc call in & they are a day late on their suggested response time. Now if I go somewhere where they want extensive watermarking, I will cant see paying for it, because I have head itext works fine. I think its free, but im not sure.

But I have been at a few locations that have watermarking working, so I imagine it does work somewhere.

I am just trying to get some one that has it working, to look at my files &/or send their files (datajett@aol.com), so I cn put this behind me.

Thanks
Larry Jett


1-Visitor
February 16, 2014

I did get the watermark to show up for a HPGL/PLT. I have attached the image.

But our publishing (like most) is set to Publish PDF's. The watermark settings are working, but its a publish format issue.

Unless some one knows the route to get those OOTB settings to work on PDF's, without iText or other customizations.

I am not opposed to doing the iText or other customizations, as long as they are free/cheap & dont take a lot of customization time, because I dont think the client is open to that much time spent on something that should be OOTB for PDF's.

Any ideas?

Larry Jett
datajett@aol.com

1-Visitor
February 17, 2014
Hi all

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1-Visitor
February 19, 2014

I thought I posted this comment, but I cant find it now.

Anyway, I finally seen my waternark work. But on a HPGL/PLT. But we publish all our DRW's to PDF.

Any idea why it will work for PLT & not PDF?

I attached an image that shows the watermark on a PLT.

Larry Jett
datajett@aol.com