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October 28, 2011
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WF5 ribbon

  • October 28, 2011
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Friday question,



After sending this question below - and receiving many constructive
replies BTW, no one has had a good word to say about WF5 ribbon
interface especially for drawings. If this is the case, why the heck do
we (the users) have to put up with the PTC spin? Loss of productivity,
hatred of something unfamiliar or am I just getting the negatives -
what's your take on this unpopular decision?



Richard A. Black

Lead Design Engineer

Eaton Corporation

440 Murray Hill Road

Southern Pines

NC 28387 USA



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JonathanHodgson13-Aquamarine
13-Aquamarine
November 2, 2011
"...my left hand likes not having to do anything..."



I'll counter that one... I often feel that my left hand is
under-utilised, and I like working with keypresses where the key is
always in exactly the same place - unlike a mouse, where you first have
to ascertain where the pointer is, and then go through a feedback
control loop to move it to a new position.



I use mapkeys and keyboard shortcuts extensively (in Pro/E and in
Windows generally), and I would welcome their inclusion in new releases
of Pro/E / Creo.



Jonathan


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ptc-5936191-VisitorAuthor
1-Visitor
November 2, 2011
Get a Space traveler/ball/navigator, your left hand is never neglected
again. Use it to zoom, pan and rotate in the model and the first two in
the drawing. Of course, you may have other things to do with that
hand...



Richard A. Black

Lead Design Engineer

Eaton Corporation

440 Murray Hill Road

Southern Pines

NC 28387 USA



tel: 910 695 2905

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TimKnier1-Visitor
1-Visitor
November 2, 2011
I use to have a Space Ball for zooming, panning and rotating. I thought it was great and I used it constantly, but after I finally wore it out our IT department felt they weren’t necessary and not worth the money to replace.

Tim Knier
QG Product & Support Engineering
QuadTech
A Subsidiary of Quad/Graphics
Sussex, Wisconsin
414-566-7439 phone
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JonathanHodgson13-Aquamarine
13-Aquamarine
November 2, 2011
Admittedly I’ve never used a Spaceball for any length of time (although the movie was quite good ;-), but I don’t have a problem using the mouse to spin/pan/zoom – it doesn’t matter where the cursor is, so it’s quick and easy.



Mapkeys and keyboard shortcuts save me having to hit a small area of the screen to select a particular tool; in AutoCAD I’m forever missing toolbuttons, probably because I try to work too quickly and I’ve moved the mouse off the toolbutton before I release the mouse button. I don’t have that problem with keyboard shortcuts! I never click on Edit -> Copy (or even the Copy toolbutton), because I can just press Ctrl+C.



The nicest CAD system I’ve ever found to use was RADAN, where the mouse was mostly used just to point and the keyboard did the actions, e.g.:



(point at line) F (select Feature)

(point at other line) F (select another Feature)

Shift+7 (trim both lines to each other)



This approach to the UI required almost zero mouse travel – the pointer never left the drawing area – because all the ‘toolbuttons’ were on the keyboard.



Jonathan


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pfariello1-Visitor
1-Visitor
November 2, 2011
It is mostly when editing a sketch where the constraints of the original sketch are not as valid with the new sketch. With IM off, it is a mapkey to "move entity", a click and drag to move sketch features and a mapkey to regenerate. With IM off, the constaints do not affect the way I drag sketch features.

Most every function I do with Pro starts with a mapkey. This is probably why I have stayed away from IM. With mapkeys, I am in and out of the sketch very quickly. As I said, I now use both interchangeably. I have rewritten my mapkeys so they work in and out of IM.

Not sure why, but I am not seeing the right click option to toggle constraint? Also can I toggle all off at once?


As an example, below is an instance when I would have it off going from the top sketch to the bottom sketch.
Patrick Fariello

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A.DelNegro1-Visitor
1-Visitor
November 2, 2011
Patrick,



It's not a RMB menu to disable a constraint... With IM on, constraints
appear as you get close to one. i.e. this image shows the Tangency
constraint as you get close to the tangent of the circle.







If you don't want a constraint, when it appears you can simply RMB click
to turn it off (or click again to turn it back on sometimes) as shown
below... In this picture I crossed the midpoint of the horizontal line
and cancel that when the line got close to vertical I canceled that.
This allowed me to make the line tangent to the circle without snapping
to vertical or to the midpoint of the line...








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JonathanHodgson13-Aquamarine
13-Aquamarine
November 2, 2011
You can also Shift+RMB to lock a constraint, when it gives you one you
definitely want; and Tab cycles through the various currently active
constraints - RMB will switch the one that's highlighted in red.



Best regards,

Jonathan




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DamianCastillo1-Visitor
1-Visitor
November 2, 2011
Patrick,

When drawing a new entity such as a line. IM makes assumptions as you
drag your mouse around. If the line is almost horizontal it will add an H
and snap to a horizontal position. If you keep dragging the mouse around,
the IM will assume other constraints on the fly. When you see a
constraint assumption made by IM, you can right click the mouse to lock
that constraint assumption. If you right click it again, you can force it
to ignore the constraint assumption. This allows you to freely sketch
exactly what you want and by-pass any constraint assumptions made by
sketcher.

The example you show for when you turn off intent manager is simple for me
to deal with using IM. I would simply drag a window over the Vertical
constraints and delete them. Now a dimension will show on top that I can
either modify or simply drag the sketch to the new shape. It's fast to
remove constraints.

If you wanted to remove them all, you could do a drag window around the
entire sketch and delete the constraints. Not sure why I would ever do
this, but your could. You could also drag a window around several
constraints and then hold control key and pick other constraints to add
them to selection and then hit the delete key.

The power of intent manager is great if you experiment with it.

Here is a video link to a YouTube video I made for you. Hope it helps.

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